Re: petty and ridiculous - Re: [ga] [Admin] Suspension of Dierker, Fleming, Walsh, Williams

[Derek Conant <dconant@dnsga.org>]

In my opinion, the GA suffers from its lack of direction and its inability to
focus on significant subject matter.  This is in part due to the primary
participants refusal to properly organize coupled with certain of their
immaterial email postings and distractions.

The paradox is that the current problems within the GA cannot be cured by
suspending the primary participants.  The primary participants need to get
their acts together and properly organize.  I have explained this in previous
posts and suggested fundamentals toward a cure.  The alternative is that we
all sit here and wait until more people get involved that can understand this
and vote this 'mess' out.  There are not enough participants in the GA to
demand suspension of the primary participants.  The suspensions are
effectively silencing and killing the GA.

The GA appears most productive at being a comedy show.  Show me where those
who have been suspended were harming or inhibiting any GA agenda.  I suggest
removing the suspensions immediately and let the show go on.

Derek Conant
DNSGA President and Chairman

"William S. Lovell" wrote:

> Mr. Conant characterizes his own email by his subject line. A very,
> VERY long history of ICANN in general and the GA in particular
> -- a history in which one one may leave one hand in one's pocket
> to count all the things that the GA has accomplished -- has shown
> irrefutably that what has prevented the GA from doing anything has
> been its anarchic, chaotic manner of operation.  Throwing stones
> (or little pebbles in this case) at one of a very few mechanisms for
> putting an end to that chaos merely adds to it. The monitors are
> to be commended for their action, in face of the almost inevitable
> event that such action would bring out all the pebble throwers.
>
> As should be those who were suspended.  So far, I've seen these
> suspensions accepted with refreshing good grace --  more grace,
> I might add, than is shown by Mr. Conant with his flights of highly
> insulting fancy.  (Mr. Walsh objects to the rather late imposition,
> and he may very well have a valid point, although I suspect that
> the answer might be that the monitors have "day jobs" too.)
>
> Bill Lovell
>
> Derek Conant wrote:
>
> > GA No Tolerance Policy - petty and ridiculous.
> >
> > Dierker, Fleming, Walsh, Williams, cool it now, the way the GA list
> > monitors are running things here you'll probably get jail-time the next
> > time they decide to punish you.  Who decides the punishment in this case
> > and what are the statue of limitations for alleged violations anyway?
> > This is laughable.  It looks like you better be careful with what you
> > say next time.  I don't believe the allegations warranted suspension.
> >
> > Derek Conant
> > DNSGA President and Chairman
> >
> > Kristy McKee wrote:
> >
> > > The list monitors note that there have been four
> > > suspensions, effective immediately.
> > >
> > >   Jeff Williams, jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > >   eight weeks suspension
> > >
> > >   Eric Dierker, eric@hi-tek.com
> > >   four weeks suspension
> > >
> > >   William X. Walsh, william@userfriendly.com
> > >   four weeks suspension
> > >
> > >   Jim Fleming, JimFleming@prodigy.net
> > >   two weeks suspension
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > /// Alexander (for the list monitors)
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > The list monitors find that Jeff Williams has broken
> > > the posting limit by sending eight and six mails to the
> > > GA within two consecutive 24 hour periods:
> > >
> > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 00:56:05
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03374.html
> > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 01:34:27
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03375.html
> > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 05:16:11
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03379.html
> > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:11:00
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03430.html
> > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 23:21:18
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03436.html
> > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 23:24:14
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03437.html
> > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 23:39:58
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03438.html
> > > Thu, 05 Jul 2001 23:53:37
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03440.html
> > > Fri, 06 Jul 2001 00:18:41 -0700
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03441.html
> > > Fri, 06 Jul 2001 01:07:08 -0700
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03444.html
> > > Fri, 06 Jul 2001 01:15:23 -0700
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03445.html
> > > Fri, 06 Jul 2001 05:14:01 -0700
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03449.html
> > > Fri, 06 Jul 2001 16:07:30 -0700
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03459.html
> > > Fri, 06 Jul 2001 21:33:33 -0700
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03466.html
> > >
> > > The list monitors note that Jeff Williams has already
> > > been barred five times.
> > >
> > > The list monitors have decided to suspend the posting
> > > rights of Jeff Williams for eight weeks. This decision
> > > can be appealed to the GA Chair.
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > The list monitors find that Eric Dierker has broken
> > > the posting limit, despite warnings and his promise
> > > "I will not over post" (referenced in a mail at
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02922.html).
> > >
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 8:48:12
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02979.html
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 18:40:34
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03004.html
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 19:04:55
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03005.html
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:43:52
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03009.html
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:00:43
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03011.html
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:09:38
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03013.html
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:07:15
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03015.html
> > >
> > > The list monitors note that Eric Dierker has been
> > > previously warned and suspended; the suspension has
> > > been overturned.
> > >
> > > The list monitors have decided to suspend the posting
> > > rights of Eric Dierker for four weeks. This decision
> > > can be appealed to the GA Chair.
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > The list monitors find that William X. Walsh has made
> > > personal attacks against members of the General Assembly.
> > > (http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-icann/Arc00/msg00111.html;
> > > "If you can't see that, then your prejudice and arrogance
> > > is blinding you, as usual.") The list monitors note that
> > > there have also been attacks regarding the history of the
> > > IDNO (http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03116.html,
> > > "Including your own little temper tantrum when you pulled the
> > > IDNO website and had the mailing list turned off because
> > > people were asking you to step down (which when you were made
> > > aware of how those actions were proving your critics right,
> > > you claimed were an "error" and had them turned back on).").
> > > Even though discussion of an Individual Domain Name Holders
> > > Organization or Constituency is on-topic, postings threatening
> > > other members of the General Assembly (the posting starts
> > > with the lines "I might suggest that you watch your moves.")
> > > and repeating unsubstantiated allegations are against the
> > > list rules which call for "a minimum of decorum".
> > >
> > > The list monitors also find that William X. Walsh has broken
> > > the posting limit, even though he is well aware of it and even
> > > the way it is calculated (as can be seen from
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02813.html).
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 00:33:32
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02971.html
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 10:10:12
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02983.html
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 10:55:52
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02988.html
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 12:20:49
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02990.html
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 16:36:23
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg02995.html
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 18:16:39
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03001.html
> > > Sun, 24 Jun 2001 18:18:54
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03002.html
> > >
> > > The list monitors note that William X. Walsh has been
> > > previously warned and suspended twice; one of the
> > > suspensions has been overturned.
> > >
> > > The list monitors have decided to suspend the posting
> > > rights of William X. Walsh for four weeks. This decision
> > > can be appealed to the GA Chair.
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > The list monitors find that Jim Fleming has violated
> > > the list rules by sending messages without any relevance
> > > to the business of the GA to the list.
> > > Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:46:18
> > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc07/msg03321.html
> > >
> > > The list monitors note that Jim Fleming has just recently
> > > received a warning for breaking the list rules (posting
> > > limit violation).
> > >
> > > The list monitors have decided to suspend the posting
> > > rights of Jim Fleming for two weeks. This decision
> > > can be appealed to the GA Chair.
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > ~k
> > >
> > > Kristy McKee (for the List Monitors)
> > >   Kristy McKee 612.823.2418
> > >   .W I D G I T A L.Espware.
> > >
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