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RE: [ga] GA summary 2002-10


In item (ii) below, we have found that there were several domains that have
suffered data problems.  There have been approximately 5 that have been
brought to our attention, and we are putting them in the queue to be fixed.
You will find that these are isolated events, and to our knowledge, the
software bug that allowed the data inconsistency was resolved long ago.  Any
domain registered in the past two years (approximately - this is when the
bug was identified and rectified) has accurate data, and the expiration date
shows correctly.


Bruce Beckwith
VeriSign Registrar

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Thomas Roessler [mailto:roessler@does-not-exist.org] 
Sent:	Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:20 PM
To:	ga@dnso.org
Subject:	[ga] GA summary 2002-10

This summary covers the DNSO GA mailing list's (and related)
discussions and news between March 13, 2002, and March 20, 2002.

GA list archives are available online at 
<http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc09/maillist.html>.  Please 
feel free to forward this summary as you believe to be appropriate.

Note that, once again, no claims of completeness of this summary are 
made.  A lot was said during the time covered, and a lot of this is 
left out of this summary.  However, I hope that this summary can 
provide readers with a helpful collection of starting points for 
their own reading of the list archives.  If you believe that I 
missed a significant position or sub-thread, please don't hesitate 
to follow up with your own summary of that.

			   List Monitoring

The posting rights of Jeff Williams <jwckid1@ix.netcom.com> have 
been suspended by the list monitor for eight weeks because of 
repeated violation of the list rules; the suspension was announced 
on Monday, March 18.  No appeal was received by the GA's chairman as 
of today, March 21. 


(i) WLS.  Verisign announced the publication of a collection of 
comments received regarding the WLS proposal at 
<http://www.verisign-grs.com/wls.html>.  At the point of time at 
which this announcement was made, the registrars' constituency had, 
however, not yet submitted its commentary. 

They submitted their comments (and posted them to the GA list as 
well) two days later. 

(ii) Verisign removing expiration dates from WHOIS data.  George 
Kirikos pointed out that, for the domain auction-barn.com, the whois 
data as accessible at whois.networksolutions.com does not contain an 
expiration date.  (As of this writing, the expiration date is still 
not given; T.R., 2002-03-21, 00:15 CET.) 

In a follow-up, Rick Wesson pointed out that the Registrar 
Accreditation Agreement _requires_ registrars to include the 
expiration date in their whois database.

No explication for the lack of the information has, so far, been 
provided by Verisign.

(iii) Accra meeting documents posted.  The DNSO secretariat has 
posted a collection of URLs and notes relating to the ICANN meetings 
in Accra at 


(iv) "Substance over rhetoric." ICANN's former chairman Esther Dyson 
suggested that ICANN should hire GA co-chair Alexander Svensson "to 
manage At-Large outreach for the next year," and offered to 
contribute to the funding; her pledge is supposed to be "matched by 
institutions such as Harvard's Berkman Center [...], Markle, 
Bertelsmann, and the like." 

This suggestion caused considerable debate on the mailing list.

During that discussion, Barbara Simons noted that "the number of 
'instant' at-large members would be a six digit figure if you count 
everyone who registered and five digits if you just count those who 
confirmed their registration."

In her response, Esther Dyson mentioned that the ALSC had asked for 
the list of at-large members, "to no avail."  Asked by Barbara who 
turned down the ALSC's request, Esther noted that "Denise Michel
would know the details, but it was staff (since the board did not 
meet to consider the request)."

In a different branch of this thread, current ICANN chairman Vint 
Cerf noted that "the resolution that implemented the ALSC proposal, 
except for the election component, should be on the website 
already." (It certainly is now.) Michael Froomkin commented: "Other 
than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?" to which Vint responded: 
"Please also note the verbatim board discussion in which a number of 
directors expressed the hope that elections might be possible 
if/when the deficiencies documented in the ALSC report and elsewhere 
can be overcome." 

(v) "Discussion draft -- ICANN reorganization." Danny Younger posted 
some "comments on the funding aspects of ICANN's problems." 

Peter de Blanc commented that the proposal that ICANN should charge 
each ccTLD $ 7,200 was "a disturbing concept," and pointed out that 
some ccTLDs have few registrants (with, in part, less than 500 names 
registered).  "Those ccTLDs can hardly afford US $ 7,200.  In fact 
in one of the countries I am referring to, a special permit is 
required to convert local cash to US $," Peter continued.  He then 
reported about a conversation with Josh Eliot, who used to "perform 
the IANA function" prior to ICANN, and now works for a company which 
"provides DNS as a paid service to large clients [...].  They do 
this for a fee based on the number of 'DNS inquiries' they get 
[...].  Josh's company gives incredible QoS (Quality of Service) 
level guarantees," Peter writes.  With root server operations in 
mind, he suggests that it "will be interesting to see what fees 
Josh's company will charge."

Another note by Danny, stating that "perhaps we can obtain necessary 
funding without the need to actually seat governments on the board 
of ICANN," provoked a response from Vint Cerf, who stated that "the 
proposal that Stuart made would not put government employees on the 
board but would offer governments an opportunity to choose among a 
slate of candidates developed by a nominating committee." To this, 
Jon Weinberg responded that the proposal as published leaves the 
nomination process of board members to the governments.  Vint 
replied that his statement reflects "the evolution of thinking since 
January 24." "The nominations process was one area that Stuart left 
kind of loose, not knowing what he might hear from the GAC," Vint 

James Love suggested a "much different model for the governments" 
than the one imagined by Vint: "Giving (some) governments a direct 
role [...] will blur issues such as the legal authority of the 
entity and its accountability to the public." Also, Jamie asks, 
"what are you going to tell China?" In his reply, Vint conceded that 
"you may well be right that this won't work - which is one of the 
reasons we have asked the GAC to respond with its own ideas." Jamie 
then focused on the model of public-private partnerships used by 
Stuart Lynn, and commented that the structure suggested by the Lynn 
proposal "is pretty much the worst way to structure this." 

(vi) "Motion for a vote of no confidence in the Board."  Danny 
Younger proposed a "vote of no confidence in the board." 

In the subsequent debate, some agreed, some didn't.

Mike Roberts (ICANN's former president and CEO) pointed out that he 
doesn't "detect support for the Lynn plan from any significant 
stakeholder group thus far." The "Board has bent over backward not 
to endorse the plan," he notes.  With respect to director 
representation and accountability, he notes that there are "three 
years of experience in which nomination, selection and seating of 
the Directors from the names, protocols and address areas has 
functioned better than one might expect." "Let's not be in a rush to 
jettison structures that are getting the job done, especially those, 
such as the DNSO, that are showing considerable recent improvement 
in quality and process," he writes.  Concerning at-large elections, 
he notes that the board "left a door open for an initiative." He 
then goes on to comment on various points of the Lynn proposal, and 
opinions raised in the recent debate.  I suggest you just read these 
comments in Mike's own words.

Thomas Roessler                          http://log.does-not-exist.org/
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