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[ga] NC Accra meeting minutes - 12 March 2002

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DNSO Names Council Accra, Ghana Meeting on 12 March 2002 - minutes

14 March 2002.

Proposed agenda and related documents

List of attendees:
Peter de Blanc         ccTLD remote participation, *proxy given to Elisabeth
Elisabeth Porteneuve   ccTLD
Oscar Robles Garay     ccTLD remote participation, *proxy given to Elisabeth
Philip Sheppard        Business
Marilyn Cade           Business
Grant Forsyth          Business remote participation, *proxy given to
Marilyn Cade
Greg Ruth              ISPCP remote participation, *proxy given to Tony
Antonio Harris         ISPCP
Tony Holmes            ISPCP
Philipp Grabensee      Registrars
Ken Stubbs             Registrars
Bruce Tonkin           Registrars
Roger Cochetti         gTLD
Richard Tindal         gTLD  absent, apologies, *proxy given to R.Cochetti
Cary Karp              gTLD
Ellen Shankman         IP    remote participation, *proxy given to Laurence
Laurence Djolakian     IP
J. Scott Evans         IP    remote participation,  *proxy given to Laurence
Chun Eung Hwi          NCDNH
Harold Feld            NCDNH remote participation,  *proxy given to Chun
Eung Hwi
Erick Iriate           NCDNH

Glen de Saint Géry     NC Secretary
Alix Guillard          MP3 Recording Engineer/Secretariat
* proxy votes were noted in case of connection failure

MP3 Recording of the meeting by the Secretariat:

Quorum present at 15:10 (all times reported are UTC Accra time).

Philip Sheppard chaired this NC meeting.

Approval of the Agenda/ patch-in for remote participants

The agenda was approved.
AOB: Budget Item proposed by Roger Cochetti

Agenda item 2. Approval of summary of last meeting

Proposed by Tony Holmes

Decision 1 D: Summary of last meeting was unanimously approved

Agenda item 3. Wait list and deletes

Alexander Svensson, Alternate GA Chair reported on the deletion / grace
- the current system relies on voluntary cooperation but as registrars do
not always cooperate, the net result is that registrants loose names.
- a more formalised system is needed
- the grace period proposal seems to be a reasonable system but the details
need to be examined.

As far as re-registration services, wait lists are concerned,
- all suffer from inequity and drawbacks,
- they vary from Registrar to Registrar,
- they are primarily a speculative revenue source for providers,
- the market size has not yet been tested,
- adoption of this practise is uncertain.

Marilyn Cade reported on the NC task force. Following the failure of the
Registrar Constituency to solve the problem internally at the ICANN
Montevideo meeting it was decided to establish an NC Task Force.
Scheduling is as follows:
- a preliminary report will be produced in March/April on Apparent
Authority, that will take into account consultation with ICANN legal staff
to define the concept.
- a final report in May will be open for public comment.
- a final Names Council report to the Board in June.
- data gathering will take place through the validation of user experience
from a web based survey.
- too early yet to say what recommendations will impact policy.

Agenda Item 4: ICANN CEO restructuring proposal

Philip Sheppard introduced the subject by drawing attention to the latest
version of the Structure Task Force report and a draft Names Council
Resolution on restructuring in response to the Lynn report: "The Case for
Reform". The draft resolution proposed devolving work to the existing
Structure Task Force in line with its current terms of reference.
Alternatives discussed were:
- devolve the work but add extra people to the Task Force,
- work on the response as the whole Names Council.

The following points were made in the discussion:
- The Registrars questioned whether the existing task force was the best
place to discuss change.
- Concern was expressed about the delay if more people were to be added.
- The gTLD Registry constituency felt that the key issue was whether ICANN
should continue or be changed.
- The IP Constituency did not have enough time for member consultation, they
were not against the draft resolution, but requested some changes.
- The Non Commercial Domain Name Holders said that users were shocked and
they consider the Lynn report hostile. They urged for a new DNSO Working
Group to be formed.
- The ccTLDs were concerned that the Lynn report lacked a clear process,
moves away from the principle of self-regulation and ignores a unique
approach for ccTLDs.

It was agreed that the full Names Council would be the forum for discussion
with input from the GA. The NC committed to participation in additional
Names Council calls which would be scheduled to meet the work load in the
next six weeks. The thrust of the NC response would be DNSO solutions, not
merely criticism of the Lynn report solutions.

Agenda Item 5: At- Large and TF Structure interim report

The NC Structure Task Force has been working on a response to the ALSC
proposals on At-Large. This is work in progress. Ph. Sheppard introduced
saying that there were two options, one to be silent and the other to let
the Board know the status of DNSO thinking to date. He said the draft TF
report was modified at a meeting earlier in Accra and he proposed to forward
the draft report to the Board as work in progress.

Discussion that followed brought up the issue of  minority reports. It was
clarified that minority reports are required by the ICANN bylaws and that
their inclusion in DNSO reports results from this requirement.

The presence of Alejandro Pisanty, (Board member), in the audience was
recognized. Pisanty said that the Board has an open ear to all proposals and
that the Board would be interested to learn about the DNSO work in progress.

The gTLD constituency requested a change to paragraph 8 section 3 in the
draft report which was accepted:  "The gTLD Constituency generally supports
the notion that individual domain name holders should have some role in the
ICANN decision-making process. However, the constituency believes that it is
premature at the current time to present the ICANN Board with an evaluation
of the ALSC report and any recommendations regarding the creation of an
at-large supporting organization. Rather, the gTLD Constituency recommends
that the ICANN Board consider the ALSC Report in conjunction with Stuart
Lynn's proposal for ICANN's general restructuring. Accordingly, the gTLD
Constituency does not endorse the recommendation contained in this report."
This is clearly stated as being the opinion of the gTLD Constituency and
there is no implication, whatsoever, that it is shared by any other
constituency. We would like to have it included in the draft interim report
without any judgmental labeling, notwithstanding the NC report template
including a general heading for minority reports. "

Ph. Sheppard proposed the motion:
To pass the draft interim report of the Structure task force to the Board as
work in progress.
The voting results: 13 in favour, 7 abstentions, 1 No. The proposal passes.

Distribution of votes:

In Favour: Peter de Blanc (ccTLD), Elisabeth Porteneuve (ccTLD), Oscar
Robles Garay (ccTLD), Philip Sheppard (Business), Marilyn Cade (Business),
Grant Forsyth (Business) Greg Ruth (ISPC), Antonio Harris (ISPC), Tony
Holmes (ISPCP), Ellen Shankman (IP), Laurence Djolakian (IP), Ken Stubbs
(Registrars), Bruce Tonkin (Registrars)

Abstentions: Roger Cochetti (gTLD), Richard Tindal (gTLD), Cary Karp (gTLD),
Harold Feld (NCDNH), Erick Iriate (NCDNH), Chun Eung Hwi (NCDNH), Philipp
Grabensee (Registrars)

No: J. Scott Evans (IPC)

Decision 2 D: The report will be sent to the Board.

Agenda item 6: Draft report on . info and Reserved Country Names

Philip Sheppard gave a brief summary of the report and stated that the Board
had a committee which he was invited to join as Chairman of the Names

One of the recommendations was that 329 names of countries in English and
the national language are  reserved by the Registry. The recommendation
differs from an earlier Names Council resolution. The report also proposed
that the possibility of a new TLD exclusively for governments could ease the
anxiety of governments in the future. Roger Cochetti speaking for the gTLD
Registries said that  dot INFO did not object to the proposal.

Agenda Item 7: Interim report - WHOIS Task Force

Tony Harris reminded the NC of the  the Task Force aim which is to establish
if WHOIS policy should be revised. Nineteen people participated in the TF,
Names Council as well as General Assembly members. Marilyn Cade gave a power
point presentation of the considerably work that had been done to date in a
multi-lingual survey.

Agenda Item 8: Status report - UDRP Task Force

J.Scott Evans reported that Co-Chairs, Milton Mueller and Caroline Chicoine
are now distributing questionnaires. After completion of this phase of work
the existing co-chairs will step down. The next phase of work is to analyse
the surveys and then consult with critics and experts on the UDRP. There
will be a re-evaluation of timing by the new Chair after the questionnaires
are distributed.

Agenda Item 9: Status report - IDN Task Force

Elisabeth Porteneuve introduced the report saying that International Domain
Names were becoming increasingly important with the growth of the Internet.
Unicode is the only existing table of international character sets. There
are a series of technically challenging issues including: traditional
Chinese vs. Simplified Chinese, Chinese and Unicode, Latin - Cyrillic -
Greek character overlap. The TF is still at the stage of understanding the
technical and political issues.

Chun Eung Hwi added that ICANN should respect the demands of people who want
to use their own names and solve their own problems. There is close
cooperation and coordination among the different stakeholders and this
should show how the community wants to work together.

Agenda Item 10: Status report - ICANN TLD evaluation group

Marilyn Cade reported in the place of YJ Park who is no longer a Names
Council member.

The Task Force has concentrated on the kinds of questions to be asked,
rather than an evaluation process.
in its draft report. Accra allowed for face to face consultation with the
new gTLD registries ( .museum, .biz, .info, .pro, .name). The draft report
makes possible a two-track evaluation process, bearing in mind that there
are two kinds of gTLDs, sponsored and unsponsored. The Task Force is
responding to the urgency to get out a report and plans its next call

Agenda Item 11: Status report - Transfers Task Force

This item was discussed at the beginning under the GA report and there were
no further questions.

Agenda Item 12: Discussion high-layer issues

Roger Cochetti commented that Keywords should not be seen as an alternative
to the root, but they are covers that go over a url.


Budget report
Excel file in
A revised 2002 budget with updated allocations but an identical bottom-line
was circulated for information.
Fees past. In 2001, the constituencies that failed to pay their dues came
under the sanctions procedure.
Invoices were mailed out in April, 2001 and  in August 2001 the first
reminder notices were sent out and then the clock started ticking. Two
constituencies (non-commercial and ccTLD) have failed to pay their dues and
fall under these sanctions. A 90 day "Show Cause" notice and a charge of 5%
interest on outstanding fees was sent out on 31 January 2002. The
non-commercial constituency has responded to the show cause request. The
Budget committee will make a recommendation to the NC on the responses to
the show cause notices at its next meeting.
Fees 2002. 2002 invoices have been sent out in January and one constituency
has paid.

Questions from the Floor
On naming systems,
Keith Teare - Realnames:
Teare made the point that there is a difference between the theoretical
framework and actual systems. There is a question whether naming systems
should be fuzzy logic or specific names to specific destinations. The
Internet Engineering Task Force appears to have reached consensus not to put
multilingual names in the Domain Name Servers.
Peter de Blanc
Drew the attention to the fact that Keywords are market driven and that
Microsoft and Realnames have 80 to 85% of the market. As such Keywords are
outside the system and not part of what the Names Council should consider.
Marilyn Cade
From a Business Constituency stand point, there is support for International
Domain Names which maintain the uniqueness and inter-operability of the DNS.

On deletes,
Jeff Neuman - Neulevel
A Grace Period of 30 days is reasonable. A Registrant can choose the
Registrar if he wants to delete. The technical, commercial and business
management needs to be worked out.

Norbert Klein - Open Forum Cambodia drew attention to an IDN problem in
Cambodia which he believed has been ignored by Asian members of ISO 10646.

17. 45 the meeting ended.

Next NC teleconference will be held on Friday 22 March at 15:00 UTC
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