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Re: [ga] RE: "The reform committee continues to refine its proposals..." [resend]

The original concept was that ICANN was to be a bottoms-up, grass roots
driven organization.  We have not seen that, yet.

In contrast, ICANN has been closely controlled by a fraternity of a
few.  If you passed their Rush Test, you received admittance.  "How
much" could have very well been one of the Rush tests.

The original concept of ICANN has not been a failure.  It hasn't even been
tested, yet.

The failure has been the "unchecked" ability of a few to control the

Perhaps some like a Dictatorship.  Certainly, the Dictators do . . .

Each of us has to come to our own resolution of what it is that we are
willing to accept.  For me, it is not the present day ICANN or the so
called "blue print."

Let's deal with "what is was suppose to be" to see if it works, before
we venture off into yet more unchartered waters to play more political


Friday, August 16, 2002, 7:11:01 PM, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law <froomkin@law.miami.edu> wrote:
MFUMSoL> for some reason the message below doesn't seem to have reached the GA list
MFUMSoL> I've trimmed the cc's for this resend.  Apologies for any duplication.

MFUMSoL> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
MFUMSoL> Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:48:47 -0400 (EDT)
MFUMSoL> From: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law <froomkin@law.miami.edu>
MFUMSoL> To: Jonathan Cohen <jcohen@shapirocohen.com>
MFUMSoL> [cc's were included in the original message]

MFUMSoL> I see you do have time to send email.  Well then, allow me to check facts:

MFUMSoL> Is it true as alleged on the GA list that the ITU was willing to pick up
MFUMSoL> the charges needed to support the GAC, but ICANN chose to pay US$75,000
MFUMSoL> itself...in the absence of any need or contractual obligation to do so?

MFUMSoL> And why exactly should I be denied my right to petition congress and the
MFUMSoL> executive for a redress of grievances?  When it's the actions of the us
MFUMSoL> government that empower ICANN?  And it's ICANN which has chosen to
MFUMSoL> disenfranchise me.  I certainly have no vote on anything ICANN does, and
MFUMSoL> you are planning to put the last nail in that coffin in October.  I should
MFUMSoL> sit quietly and take my medicine?  

MFUMSoL> Incidentally, I find your comment that we should try to imagine what it is
MFUMSoL> like to be in your shoes especially insulting, as it is your decisions
MFUMSoL> which ensure that no one representing me will ever get to do exactly that.
MFUMSoL> And of course, there's no 'try again later' once you've been shut out
MFUMSoL> completely of the voting power.   In fact, we had about 3 tries on getting
MFUMSoL> user representation, all rejected by the ICANN board.  That's a lot of
MFUMSoL> tries already. 

MFUMSoL> My cultural bias is in favor of representative structures and strict
MFUMSoL> accountability.  What's yours?

MFUMSoL> On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Jonathan Cohen wrote:

>> And will those who disagree stop villifying, name calling ,cheap shotting
>> because they dont get their way.Will people from 'some ' country stop
>> invoking its world view on every aspect of ICANN and the Internet.Will
>> ,those who dont like directions or decisions of ICANN stop whining to
>> Congress or the DOC,will they take the time to check their facts,.Bob Dylan
>> said it in a song a long time ago .....''try spending a day in our shoes''
>> ,as VOLUNTEERS, at considerable personal cost in time,energy and MONEY!!Try
>> listening to the push and pull from every direction,the criticism,the
>> Politics,the Rhetoric, name calling AND WORSE,while you try to do the Best
>> Job you can.Noone on the Board expects sympathy or "flowers"...But it would
>> sure be refreshing to get some 'Balance'and some decent debate ,where if you
>> dont win you shake hands and try again later...But maybe thats ''culturally
>> biased''  see you around the "Ranch"
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Fleming [mailto:JimFleming@ameritech.net]
>> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:12 PM
>> To: vinton.g.cerf@WCOM.COM; apisan@servidor.unam.mx;
>> Amadeu@nominalia.com; karl@cavebear.com; k13@nikhef.nl;
>> ivanmc@akwan.com.br; lyman@acm.org; jcohen@shapirocohen.com;
>> f.fitzsimmons@att.net; mkatoh@mkatoh.net; hans@icann.org;
>> shkyong@kgsm.kaist.ac.kr; lynn@icann.org; andy@ccc.de;
>> junsec@wide.ad.jp; quaynor@ghana.com; helmut.schink@icn.siemens.de;
>> linda@icann.org; nvictory@ntia.doc.gov; ga@dnso.org
>> Cc: secretariat@isoc-ecc.org; Yatoh@intnet.bj; infocom@avu.org; Vittorio
>> Bertola; tommi.karttaavi@iki.fi; RBHauptman@aol.com; andyo@oreilly.com;
>> hans.klein@pubpolicy.gatech.edu; rk2x@andrew.cmu.edu;
>> pshane@andrew.cmu.edu; faia@amauta.rcp.net.pe; legales@derecho.org.ar;
>> emv@southtech.com.ar; gonzalo@juandegaray.org.ar; ateneas@retemail.es;
>> JacobsenTom@acm.org; alain.moscowitz@cecua.org; icannatlarge@isoc.bg;
>> naavi@vsnl.com; ramboa@ird.mg; marius@refer.mg;
>> sotiris@hermesnetwork.com; icheckemail@indiatimes.com; izumi@anr.org;
>> Christian.Ahlert@sowi.uni-giessen.de; yjpark@myepark.com;
>> vivek@vivekdurai.com; todd glassey; Richard Henderson; Kristy McKee;
>> karl@cavebear.com; Joop Teernstra; Joe Baptista; Joanna Lane;
>> jefsey@jefsey.com; james.love@cptech.org; j.oppenheimer@att.net;
>> ellen@rony.com; jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com; Richard J. Sexton
>> Subject: "The reform committee continues to refine its proposals..."
>> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc10/msg05002.html
>> From: "vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>
>> "The reform committee continues to refine its proposals..."
>> ======
>> Are they trying to decide whether to charge $1 per domain name per year or
>> 25 cents ?
>> Will ICANN be raising enough money to hire you as the CEO, now that Worldcom
>> is history ?
>> Does ICANN plan to move out of the current location to a ranch it purchases
>> overlooking the
>> Pacific Ocean ? Will there be an airstrip and stables for horses ? Will
>> those be in the budget ?
>> When will companies like IBM, HP and AT&T start paying their equivalent
>> share of rent for
>> address space ? Will that gain them special access to the ICANN Ranch and
>> horseback rides ?
>> http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
>> Will there also be room in the ICANN budget to pick up a mansion in the
>> Beverly Hills area ?
>> ....to host various gatherings to maintain the stability....job
>> security....etc...
>> Jim Fleming
>> 2002:[IPv4]:000X:03DB:...IPv8 is closer than you think...
>> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
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