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Re[3]: [ga] Verisign: ".com/net not a necessity" replying to anti-trust concerns of WLS

I don't think this is spam, at all.  I think it is an opinion and, although
you and I may not agree with it, he does, never-the-less, have some
elementary right to share his thoughts.  This list is suppose to be
open and not bigoted - at least I thought so, going in.

I may even agree with some, or all, of what he said, although I am not
stating that is my position, at this time. Please be sure to recognize
that I am not writing this in support of what was said, because that
is not the purpose of this post. I'm also not saying that I totally
disagree with what was said. My position on this matter is not the

The point is that, even if we may loath hearing the message for the
upteenth time or we may be diametrically opposed to the view
expressed, it is not appropriate to criticize the message just because
of its topic or the person posting it. The content, in my view, is
what needs to be challenged and discussed - not the person who posts
and not the topic.  IOW, I don't think it is appropriate to call it
"spam" just because you don't like the subject matter, poster or the
content.  Let's challenge the ideas presented -- that's healthy.

The value of a list, in MHO (George, I am humble, sometimes) is that
we have the opportunity to hear different points of view and differing
ideas. Sometimes, it opens our eyes to a bigger picture or a different
take on the subject matter, sometimes we may think the person posting
it is an idiot.  Regardless, the value of people posting their
thoughts is what makes a list valuable and a means of helping build
the all important consensus.  I wouldn't like to see anything which
discourages anyone from expressing their views openly and liberally.


p.s. I even like you, William, and I think you do well at cutting
through the fat to the core issue, most of the time. I just don't
agree with the method, this time.  Humbly and respectfully, that's my
take FWIW.

Tuesday, January 29, 2002, 5:14:45 PM, William X Walsh <william@wxsoft.info> wrote:

WXW> Can we keep the alt.root spam to a minimum please?

WXW> Tuesday, Tuesday, January 29, 2002, 2:53:16 PM, John Palmer wrote:

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "George Kirikos" <gkirikos@yahoo.com>
>> To: <ga@dnso.org>; <cgomes@verisign.com>
>> Cc: <discuss-list@opensrs.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:18 PM
>> Subject: [ga] Verisign: ".com/net not a necessity" replying to anti-trust
>> concerns of WLS
>> [...]

>> You know, the inclusive namespace is still out there. We haven't gone
>> anywhere. When
>> you guys are tired of "working within the process" (which is rigged since
>> the ICANN
>> board is basically VSGN, Neustar/Neulevel and Afilias) - You can come on
>> board
>> the inclusive bus right now.

>> If you are an ISP - see http://www.open-rsc.org or http://www.pacroot.com to
>> find
>> out how to make ICANN irrelevant to your company and customers right now. If
>> your ISP wont, you can do it yourself (and then get an ISP that respects
>> your right
>> to see all of the internet, not just websites whose operators are cowering
>> in the corner
>> afraid that VSGN/ICANN/USG will pull the plug on them using one of the
>> myriad of
>> increasingly burdensome contract provisions that are FORCED on people before
>> they are allowed to get a .COM/NET/ORG).

>> The Inclusive Namespace has none of that.

>> No UDRP, in other words, no binding  mechansim that allows rich concerns to
>> steal
>> domains from poor people.

>> No rigged Board that claims it is "a consensus based, open, community
>> process"
>> (gag)

>> No USG "big stick" lending authority to the aforementioned corrupt and
>> rotten
>> situation.

>> We've been here all along. Don't you understand? If enough people leave
>> ICANN's root
>> networks, they will be irrelevant.  Right now, 7-12% of the internet looks
>> away from ICANN,
>> and this number is growing.

>> There are some pretty powerful figures lurking here. If everyone would only
>> get up and move,
>> we could hasten ICANN's demise (a GOOD thing) as a 900lb gorilla. Without
>> your help it
>> will take a bit longer, but it will happen.

>>> As for dot-com and dot-net not being a necessity, that's true in the
>>> sense that they're not like food, water or shelter. However, if
>>> Verisign truly believed their own argument then the "one year test"
>>> could be conducted with equal efficacy using the dot-TV or dot-CC TLDs,
>>> and not dot-com/net. If it's true, I'm willing to trade Verisign
>>> gs34jkhgds-jkhg.org for the NSI.com domain name. I believe someone
>>> forgot to tell GreatDomains (a Verisign company) that other TLDs are
>>> now pervasive:

>> How about domains like mydom.USA, mydom.AMERICA, mydom.EARTH,
>> mydom.WEB?? How about 8,000 - 9,000 TLDs to choose from??? They exist
>> now, and most without any nasty UDRP, USG or WIPO.

>> Thats what we have now in the Big World out there.

>> There is a solution, its right under everyone's nose. When are you all going
>> to
>> get the picture that ICANN ignores all of you and keeps you busy bickering
>> amongst each other on these lists. Name one thing, ONE SUBSTANTIAL THING
>> that you have accomplished in the past 2 years (apart from running
>> elections, polls
>> suspending people for getting a bit too hot under the collar).

>> They (ICANN) are playing you for fools. Either get up, leave and go make a
>> real difference or else let progress pass you by. The game is rigged. You
>> are
>> ignored. Face it. Move on to progress or give up.

>>> Sincerely,
>>> George Kirikos
>>> http://www.kirikos.com/

>> John Palmer

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