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Re: DNSGA Re: [wg-review] [Review] ccTLD vs DNSO vs ICANN vs GAC


I believe that ICANN has played a good game of  "you can approach us from within."  ICANN will not go boom.  ICANN will be a thorn and in the way of productivity without significant change.  My approach here is to introduce some reality into this forum and process to make things better.  I am for solving problems.

Eric Dierker wrote:

I agree with your concept here.  However I prefer to leave the negative side to if they do
not on this go around fix it then boom.  ICANN must be approched from within and without
with a carrot and a stick.  Instead of thinking of it as possibly spinning our wheels, I
prefer to think of it as a set-up and giving them enough rope to hang themselves, if they so
choose.

Derek Conant wrote:

> I believe that all parties interested in the future and direction of the DNS should
> participate in or with ICANN and its supporting organizations.  ICANN is well positioned
> which demands this participation and I believe that ICANN can use all of the help it can
> get if it is willing to change its current way of doing things.
>
> I believe that ICANN and its supporting organizations must demonstrate to the
> international Internet community that ICANN's special interests are not, and will not
> be, the final objective regardless of any public opposition or public participation.
>
> I believe that for ICANN to gain real international support, ICANN and its supporting
> organizations must allow international representatives at all levels in the ICANN
> decision and policy making processes.
>
> A topic being discussed in this wg-review is the matter of multi-lingual issues.  I see
> the topic as a productive one, however, I also see ICANN demonstrating the need for
> moneys to fund such a concept.  If ICANN and its supporting organizations really had the
> international Internet community on its side, ICANN would not have the problem of
> multi-lingual issues. I believe that people from the international Internet community
> would step forward and freely devote there resources if they believed in and trusted the
> ICANN process.  I do not believe that the international Internet community will buy
> ICANN's current way of doing things regardless of the resources spent on multi-lingual
> issues.  I do not believe that ICANN will be able to compete with the many international
> organizations that will spell-out ICANN's self-serving conduct.
>
> ICANN must engage and demonstrate real change and allow international representation to
> play a key role in its decision and policy making processes to gain support from the
> international Internet community.  Without this change or something new, we are all only
> spinning our wheels here.
>
> Eric Dierker wrote:
>
> > I think this is a correct assessment.  But I add: and continue to participate in
> > ICANN.
> >
> > Derek Conant wrote:
> >
> > > Domain Name System General Assembly (DNSGA)
> > > http://www.dnsga.org
> > >
> > > Maybe the international Internet community, and more specifically ccTLD
> > > representatives, need to participate in a new organization wholly separate from
> > > ICANN?
> > >
> > > Eric Dierker wrote:
> > >
> > > > I bow to your wisdom and Greg's analysis of how we can accomplish the most good.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Joanna Lane wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Eric wrote:-
> > > > > Don't you think that perhaps our input may help them in the task.  The
> > > > > extraordinary support from this group regarding addressing the issues of
> > > > > multi-lingualism should at least let them know they have a wide base of
> > > > > support
> > > > > to come up with solutions.  Also it will give people a heads up as to what
> > > > > likely antagonists positioning will be, something I would be most grateful
> > > > > for.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the other hand I would like to know where in Mr. Burton's categories this
> > > > > thread belongs.
> > > > >
> > > > > [Joanna]  I just think we could save time if we knew what the ccTLD's want
> > > > > first, and in particular, from this WG.
> > > > > Hello ccTLDs, do you have any position papers to clarify the issues for us?
> > > > >
> > > > > > YJ Park wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello members,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As you read, Bill asked not to cross post wg-review message to
> > > > > > > cctld-discuss list. Please keep this in mind.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We have focused "Language Divide" and "Translation Cost" in
> > > > > > > ICANN process. As you may know, ccTLD is going to have a
> > > > > > > meeting in Hawaii to figure out what their future should be.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since ccTLD constituency is in the DNSO structure at this juncture,
> > > > > > > it might be more productive to discuss bigger picture for WG-Review's
> > > > > > > recommendation to the Names Council.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. [DNSO Structure Discussion] ccTLD should be in the DNSO?
> > > > > > > 2. If not, what could be the potential model
> > > > > > > 3. [NET Sovereignty] If so, what kind of relations should there
> > > > > > >     be between ccTLD and ICANN
> > > > > > > 4. What kind of relations among ccTLD vs ICANN vs GAC
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > :So with this in mind just what sort of relations exist at this time?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not comfortable with discussing what would be the appropriate model
> > > > > for
> > > > > > ccTLDs, when they, themselves, have not yet determined what their future
> > > > > > should be. I would have thought we should wait for a proposal to come from
> > > > > > Hawaii, then discuss the merits.
> > > > > > Joanna
> > > > > >
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