DNSO Names Council Teleconference on March 31th, 2000 - minutes
March 31th, 2000.
Proposed agenda and related documents:
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20000331.NCtelecon-agenda.htmlList of attendees:
Dennis Jennings ccTLD absent Patricio Poblete ccTLD Philip Sheppard Business Masanobu Katoh Business Theresa Swinehart Business absent, proxy to Katoh Hirofumi Hotta ISPCP Tony Harris ISPCP arrived in late Michael Schneider ISPCP arrived in late Erica Roberts Registrars Ken Stubbs Registrars Paul Kane Registrars Roger Cochetti gTLD Caroline Chicoine IP Axel Aus der Muhlen IP Guillermo Carey IP Youn Jung Park NCDNH Kathryn Kleiman NCDNH left in the middle, proxy to YJP Zakaria Amar NCDNH absent, proxy to YJP Louis Touton ICANN Legal Counselor Elisabeth Porteneuve DNSO Secretariat
Chair Ken Stubbs (Registrars)Quorum present
See http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc03/msg00509.html, by Ken Stubbs
Roger CochettiThe NC work with the significant consequences needs adequate funding, there is a minimal level of expenses for a legitimate body to exists. With regards to the level of proposed fees between $US 15000 and 35000, per constituency for year 2000 the lower amount when spread out over the number of members in each constituency should be acceptable, and in many cases is still less than the airfares to one of ICANN meetings for one constituency member. We need to create an institution publicly accountable and preserve the low cost.
Masanobu KatohWe need to be realistic, the fees are expected from 7 constituencies, which whould imply the committment in liability to such expenses.
Ken StubbsFrom Registrars point of view, it is important to send a message to ICANN that the structure was set up in such a way that it can hardly function.
Patricio PobleteWith regards to the ICANN budget of $US 1.5 millions the DNSO numbers are not significant, but the problem lies with the multiple level of constributions. The larger the number the more hassle, it would be preferable to have one contribution to ICANN.
Ken StubbsWe need to put in place a commitee to develop the methodology for the funding mechanism in the future, but we cannot leave the meeting today without decision.
Roger CochettiThere are two principles that will be affected by the DNSO budget, accountability and the autonomy. The costs in these budgets reflect the level of accountability. The same work could be done in a fraction of time by Louis Touton in Marina del Rey, but it would not be accountable. If we want a DNSO that is highly accountable and independent from the ICANN Board, then will have to pay for it, you cannot have it both ways.
Philip SheppardThere is a difference between the NC functionning administratively, and all the work necessary for the Working Groups and the GA. The latter are providig good for the whole ICANN, it would be unfair to have the secretariat founded only by the Constituencies. There is a responsability.
Erica RobertsMy understanding is that the WGs has been set up to report to the NC, and therefore we are responsible for them. There are two separate questions: look on the size of budget and find out how to get revenus into it. The proposed budget is very conservative, do we have any objections to the size of budget ?
Ken StubbsIt is a good approach. My proposal is handling the meeting cost in decreasing manner, we get to one seventh of the webcast costs. The audio archives of all meetings can be used, and are the legitimate substitute for the webcast dissimination.
Elisabeth PorteneuveThe main difficulty for a budget is not the amount, less than 5 percent of ICANN budget, but the layered system. Another important item is that the DNSO's members are providing 90 percent of all ICANN budget, therefore reluctance to raise additional amounts. Furtheremore, the outstanding part of this ICANN budget comes from outside of the US. To the two important aspects already mentioned -- accountability and autonomy, I would like to add the legitimacy.
Paul KaneThe geographical diversity is an important issue. Why not consider a call for tender.
Kathryn KleimanThe budget is reasonnable, and some money could be saved if technical work passed to ICANN. In trading associations you do not charge for the policy establishement. For NCDNH even the teleconferences have a cost.
Erica RobertsI sympathise, but I do not know how much we need to operate effectively. How does implementation give the value for the pack? How do we raise the money? Within Registrars constituency, there is a possibility we may balance various constituency groups. We need an effective organization, with responsability, there are a lot of things we did not budget for and there are various requirements.
Roger CochettiI propose the motion that for the year 2000 we adopt a budget for the DNSO of $US 95500, with the spending broken down according to the categories in Ken Stubbs proposal. This motion is only to approve a spending amount and has nothing in and of itself to do with either how the funds will be collected to how they are administered
Masanobu KatohSubject to the further consideration of the income.
Roger CochettiIn deference to Katoh-san's concerns, I am willing to accept a friendly amendment that says: If we find that it is impossible to raise $US 95500, then we will have to revisit the budget. Does it respect Katoh's request ?
Ken StubbsIf we cannot raise that money, it is a clear signal to constituencies to operate effectively.
Michael SchneiderI disagree, it is a bad signal. We agree on budget, unless we solve the question how to generate the revenue. We unconditionnaly agree on budget and postpone untill we find how to raise money.
Ken StubbsWe have obligation of expenditures.
Michael SchneiderIf we agree on budget, we create the liability, and if we do not manage to have Constituencies agreed to pay for it ? We need solid basis.
Roger CochettiMy motion is: "The NC hereby endorse for the year 2000 the expenditure of $US 95500 with the expenses as broken down in the proposal as by Ken.", see http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc03/msg00509.htm
Philip SheppardPoint of order. Do we accept to be connected to particular conditions, like California, or do we indicate only the upper limit and the methodology.
Louis ToutonRoger's motion does not endorse any geographical implementation, but only the total amount. The freedom and flexibility are left to the NC on how to implement it.
Caroline ChicoineSecond this version.
Masanobu KatohI request to have written in the minutes my concern about raising money.
Ken Stubbs calls for voteThe motion passes with 14 yes, 3 abstentions (YJP voting for 3 members of the NCDNH) and 1 absent (Dennis Jennings).
The small commitee will be set up from to study the implementation of the approved budget ($US 95500).
Roger CochettiWe have conditions of time. I propose we proceed step by step to immediate allocate responsabilities to the Constituencies, to encourage Constituencies to come up with the method of paiement, to get the invoices out.
Philip SheppardI have to leave, I voulounteer to the implementation commiteee. I will be back from Istanbul in 5 days.
Caroline ChicoineIs the GA the burden on the Constituencies only ?
Roger CochettiHaving adopted the budget, we recognize responsability to each Constituency. We allocate liability to each Constituency. We also sollicit volounteer donations and contributions from other interested in DNSO matters.
Caroline ChicoineWith the vote we just done, I am concerned about the $US 5000 fees for 1999. How much was raised ? The IPC gave $US 5000, but is very reluctant to pay until others pay. How should the total amount be distributed ?
Louis Touton$US 15000 has been collected.
Roger CochettiWe request ICANN to publish information on who has paid.
Ken StubbsHow should we deal with some strong reluctants to pay ? Some do not have much ressources and wish to participate.
Erica RobertsNCDNH Constituency is not fortunate. We could reduce their participation to $US 10000, and spread out the remider accross others.
Roger CochettiWe do not want to encorage the irresponsability, but I want to show some reduction.
Tony HarrisI wish that we do not make special exceptions.
Ken StubbsThe financial difficulties comes always with the NCDNH. If we cant find out way to deal with that, the wrong message si sent out.
Roger CochettiI propose the motion:
Caroline ChicoineDo we have a procedure for enforcing the budget ?
Roger CochettiThe item 2 is moral lecture to Constituencies that we should look at creative way, and not releve anybody from legal obligations. There is an obligation to Constituencies to work with each other.
Tony HarrisDo we propose any staggering in paying founds ?
Roger CochettiThe collection of money is details to be sorted out with Louis Touton.
Louis ToutonLets divide the total amount equally among the seven constituencies, so each would have to contribute US$ 13,643. Each constituency will be contacted by the ICANN staff to arrange the details of the payment (if they prefer to be invoiced as the whole group or as a collection).
Roger CochettiWe ask the ICANN staff to advise the NC immediately about received paiements. We have also to talk what to do in case of default in paiement.
Youn Jung ParkThe NCDNH cannot protect its rights with such expenses.
Ken StubbsYou reach out organizations willing to have their voice heard and point them out the benefits of being involved, and to join your constituency.
Ken Stubbs calls for voteThe second motion passes with 14 yes, 3 abstentions (YJP voting for 3 members of the NCDNH) and 1 absent (Dennis Jennings).
The deadline for the NC recommendation on the WG-C and WG-B is no latter than April 20th.
The next NC teleconference will be held on Friday April 18th. The time will be in favour of Parific Rim.
The issue of Independent Review Nominating Committee is postponed to the April 18th
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