RE: [ga] Esther Dyson..... - a modest clarification

[Esther Dyson <edyson@edventure.com>]

yes... but input in person carries a lot more weight than input through 
postings.  I believe having a physical presence will make a 
difference.  Now the challenge is funding to get the people there!  I.e. 
the ICANNwatch phrase "meaningless input" is precisely orthogonal (and also 
contrary) to what I meant:  "influential input," delivered in person.

Esther

At 09:38 PM 2/9/2003, Gene Marsh wrote:
>Esther,
>
>I believe there is more angst about how ICANN reached its "consensus"
>during policy creation.  The input stream is largely seen as pouring water
>into sand, while the board accepts policies for vote based on apparent fiat
>or influenced views.
>
>Gene...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:   Esther Dyson [SMTP:edyson@edventure.com]
>Sent:   Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:09 PM
>To:     Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
>Cc:     ga@dnso.org
>Subject:        Re: [ga] Esther Dyson..... - a modest clarification
>
>To quote the Register more fully:
>
>"We want public input into ICANN", she said. "We've got a mechanism where
>it can have a seat on the task forces, liaisons to working groups, be part
>of the policy making process - I see that in many ways as more important
>than having a seat on the board."
>
>That part in fact is accurate (though I couldn't swear to it word for
>word).  I do in fact believe this.  The ability to have input *when policy
>is made* - rather than later when it is voted on by the board - is very
>important, I believe.  The board's votes are usually fairly general; all
>the details and nuances happen in the implementation, either in the
>policies that are put *to* the board, or the ones that are created
>afterwards at its direction.  (PS- This is not new, from me, anyway.)  I
>think it's fair to say that much of what distresses people about ICANN is
>not the board votes, but how they are implemented.
>
>Having seats on the board is *also* a good thing, to be sure, and one that
>matters, but a few seats on the board would probably make less difference
>than some active involvement in committee work.
>
>Note: I did not say "in all ways."  nor did I say "meaningless input" (as
>in the ICANNwatch headline). The kind of input I mean is input that has an
>impact, because it is delivered by credible individuals making good points
>in the face-to-face conversations where policy details and compromises are
>hammered out.
>
>What I *did* say was more focused on the importance of fixing ICANN rather
>than abandoning it, and some of the difficulties of doing so.  (plus some
>history!)
>
>Esther
>
>
>
>At 05:06 PM 2/8/2003, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:
> >Meanwhile, corrections to
> >http://www.icannwatch.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/06/2324259&mode=nested
> >would be welcomed -- that quote didn't sound like you...
> >
> >On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Esther Dyson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Two:  Don't believe everything you read. What I actually said was quite
> > > different, and not that new.  Please do read Oxford's precis of the
> > > conference when it is posted.  Or you can read what I wrote for the
>Wall
> >
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