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Re: I think you're wrong - Re: WXW GA Director - Re: [ga] Reply to William Walsh
Derek and all assembly members,
Derek Conant wrote:
> The GA active participants here cannot establish any valid GA positions individually. It
> takes a record of coordinated effort to show valid positions. Without a record showing
> coordinated effort and the valid consensus, GA positions are without merit and easily
> challenged.
Indeed it is true that the lack of coordinated and voted upon resolutions from the
GA it can be easily challenged. Notice I said VOTED UPON resolutions. This
is an important point. The GA members must decide what positions they hold
through a motion process, which is pretty standard for and assembly and
an assembly process. Just before Stockholm, two such resolutions were
passed and set to the NC fro their review. This is the proper process.
However other motions that were seconded were either ignored or denied
by the chair. They were never given a chance to have the GA membership
register and official vote on them. This I believe is where the crux of the
problem resides.
>
>
> It is far harder to challenge an organized structure consisting of 9 GA Directors that
> have determined the GA's consensus and positions through its review of verifiable
> information and comments submitted to the GA forum. It would be easier for GA Directors to
> rationalize GA information.
I don't care if you have 1, 9, or 90 directors. Unless or until the GA members
have the reasonable opportunity to vote on any motions or resolutions, no
consensus can be accurately determined.
>
>
> The purpose of the GA is to establish GA positions based upon valid consensus, and to
> present its findings to the NC for review. What I have proposed in suggesting 9 GA
> Directors does not conflict with the purpose of the GA nor does it conflict with the DNSO
> Charter (Where does it conflict with the DNSO Charter?).
>
> Furthermore, what I proposed will stabilize and enhance the GA's performance and possibly
> save the GA from the NC's chopping block.
>
> Other constituencies within the DNSO are progressing in developing agendas and developing
> their positions concerning their agendas. The way the other constituencies within the
> DNSO are performing works for them. The GA has not reached valid consensus regarding any
> subject matter and so I am suggesting that we do something about it.
>
> What is really scary here are that the players from the WG-Review are now involved in the
> GA demanding that their ideas will work when in fact they failed in the WG-Review
> process. The NC killed the WG-Review process because it was non-effective at producing
> valid consensus on any tangible subject matter. This is because the WG-Review process was
> not properly structured, nor able to properly coordinate with its members, this is why the
> WG-Review process was non-effective at producing valid consensus on any tangible subject
> matter.
>
> I hope the players from the WG-Review can see that their structure and process did not
> work. I hope people here can see that a new process should be tested.
>
> I am not challenging the GA Chair's performance. What I have proposed does not displace
> the current GA process. However, what I proposed with the 9 GA Directors may show that
> most GA active participants here will not stand behind GA positions, and this should
> change. The GA needs at least 9 individuals to stand behind GA positions. Thus far, I
> count 3 individuals who will stand behind GA positions. Who else should be added to the
> MEMBERS SUPPORTING GA POSITIONS list?
>
> MEMBERS SUPPORTING GA POSITIONS
> 1. Danny Younger GA Chair
> 2. Patrick Corliss GA Co-Chair
> 3. Derek Conant
>
> Derek Conant
> DNSGA President and Chairman
>
> "William X. Walsh" wrote:
>
> > Hello Derek,
> >
> > There are no GA directors, and this body can work within itself, it
> > does not need to elect "representatives" to an executive board to get
> > results.
> >
> > That removes the entire purpose of the GA.
> >
> > The suggestion is out of bounds, since it would require a change of
> > the DNSO charter anyway.
> >
> > Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 5:36:20 PM, Derek Conant wrote:
> >
> > > Such a thing can exist if we put it into motion. How can we get to work without a
> > > stable representative body. Anything less than a showing of coordination that
> > > produces valid results is only chat session in the end is my point.
> >
> > > If the GA supports your being a GA Director would you accept the position for 2
> > > months? Why not take an active role in determining the GA's direction and positions
> > > regarding subject matter? This would be considered constructive for the GA.
> >
> > > Derek Conant
> > > DNSGA President and Chairman
> >
> > > "William X. Walsh" wrote:
> >
> > >> Hello Derek,
> > >>
> > >> Wednesday, June 13, 2001, 3:27:19 PM, Derek Conant wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > This looks like chat to me. Now that we are over this, let's move forward with
> > >> > something more tangible here for the GA.
> > >>
> > >> > Are you willing to be a GA Director? If so great! If not, why not?
> > >>
> > >> Because such a thing does not exist.
> > >>
> > >> Let's dismiss all these wild ideas and get down to work.
> > >>
> > >> Danny, are you going to lead us or what?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> William X Walsh
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> > William X Walsh
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