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[ga] Opening a Can of Soup

Hi Bill

> Why isn't all this, and others like it, in ga-roots?
> And what on earth is a "owner-ga-full?"

Well it's like this.

The more intelligence, degrees and other qualifications a person has the
less ability they have in opening a can of soup.  Add to that that anybody
dealing with alternate roots is an independent, ornery person who doesn't
want to follow simple guidelines like "open can at other end" and you have a
big mess.

My golden rule is that "everybody" must co-operate to make a mailing list
succeed but just "one" person can wreck those efforts. Let me work on that:

    A mailing list *might* succeed if everybody co-operates.
    But it is certain to fail if just one person doesn't.

Or something along those lines.

BTW My answer to much of your question is below.  The word "owner" is a list
management term used in bounced messages.  I must have reposted a bounced
message of something of that nature and released that address *into the
wild* for one list member to get confused by it.

I could ask the DNSO Secretariat to bounce posts of people who use that term
but that would certainly wreck something somewhere else e.g. some proper
posting to that address.

So I am trying a bit of user training and education.


Best regards
Patrick Corliss

----- Original Message -----
From: Alternate Chair <patrick@quad.net.au>
To: [ga-rules] <ga-rules@dnso.org>
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 00:56:40 +1000
Subject: [ga-rules] Bounced Messages & Other List Administration


The GA-ROOTS list has received more postings that any of the other special
purpose lists.  As well the debate has been vigorous and informed.  Other
lists are starting to pick up and become relevant.

Unfortunately one or two people have posted material relating to ROOTS
elsewhere.  One person, for example, has posted to owner-ga-roots@dnso.org
instead of ga-roots@dnso.org.   I have received this mail along with bounced
posts such as submissions by non-members.

I have reposted three non-member submissions.  I thought some were
subscribed and the cause for the error needs to be investigated.  As far as
I can tell, there is no set procedure and I could check their subscriptions
or write to them privately or onlist.  Any corrective action takes time and
effort.  It is also useful to post ICANN Announcements or even posts from
other lists.

There are therefore three types of postings I might make (1) my own views on
a subject of interest (2) reposts and corrections (3) GA announcements.
Trying to perform these tasks could easily lead me to exceed my personal
daily posting limit.  This would be a valid but unworthy cause for concern.

Of course, I could easily just ignore mis-postings, filter bounced messages
and not re-post ICANN Announcements or other relevant emails.  I see that as
bowing to form rather than substance.  A better solution is to refer
complaints of excess postings to the List Monitors who can make an impartial
assessment.  Pity that this just adds to their already large burden.

Another alternative is to make arrangements to pass this work to the DNSO

Clearly, list administration is a necessary function.  Personally, I would
prefer to spend more time on substantive issues relating to ICANN policy.
In fact, it is easy to forget that even intelligent people disagree or just
get things wrong.

I'd therefore ask everyone to assist with the list housekeeping by (a)
making sure you are subscribed before posting (b) using the right "to" and
"from" addresses and (c) posting to the most relevant mailing list.  I would
particularly suggest that you do not simply blindly follow the previous
person -- it should be easy to tell ROOTS from RULES etc.

I'd appreciate any constructive comments.  Should this be considered an
official post.
And if so, should it be excluded from my daily limit of five posts?

Thank you for your time
Patrick Corliss
Alternate Chair

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