[ga] [Fwd: [ga-roots] Alternate Roots Issues Paper for Discussion]
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- Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 13:16:19 -0700
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I know that I am often filtered or whatever because I speak in a noise
unliked by many. And I sometimes tire of my own calls to arms.
BUT I AM WILD HERE, AND WITH GOOD DAMN REASON
The finest minds in the business, this business, do not watch our
sub-lists. The sub lists do not resolve (or whatever you want to call
it) to the GA full. Those same finest minds only belong to the Full list
because for some strange reason they like to here what banned folks say.
I personally feel cheated if I do not get Mr. Williams ideas on matters.
THE SUB LISTS MUST, AND I MEAN MUST GET POSTED ON THE FULL.
This sneaky devious censorship must be rooted out. This is being sent
to the abuse group because whoever set this up is the most abusive
censoring dog that ever lived.
Now I notice that while I was signed up on all sublists, somehow I am
not getting all of them. Who is taking me off of the lists?
The forward here is being sent because it was this post that brought it
to my attention through one of our finest minds asking me what I was
talking about because this post did not make it to the full which
apparently is all he gets. Funny that, that he would rely on it being a
full listing of all posts in the GA, after all it is only called a full
list. Also this is just great after one of our esteemed leaders just
came down to visit last week and was shown the Full as an example of
Mr. Corliss, you set these lists up. What is your possible explanation?
I apologize to all who get this in duplicate but at this point my
confidence in the List forwarding it is very low.
Can anyone remember way back when - when netsol shut down the domain
policy list! Who is storing the sub-list archives?
This is especially great as I am being brought under investigation by
our abuse group for speaking of someone as not being honest, that same
someone who apparently designed and established these lists.
I am really pissed and Marina del Rey is only a short drive from here!
I have just double and triple checked and there is no Bruce James post
on the full-GA for days.
Mr. Younger what say the?
Alternate Roots Issues
Paper for Discussion
7 May 2001
By Grant Forsyth, BC Rep
Alternate Roots Issues
Paper for Discussion
7 May 2001
By Grant Forsyth, BC Rep
I have noted the discussions that has been circulating on the NC mail list on
the matter of Alternate Roots and the suggestion that there be a discussion on
the next audio. I thought it would be useful to make some opening observations
and proposed policy directions that could form the basis for that discussion.
Some founding principles
In considering the question of alternate roots, it should be taken as given
- A unique naming scheme is an absolute requirement for an orderly and
stable Internet. See http://www.icann.org/correspondence/iab-tech-comment-27sept99.htm
(is there any further update on this technical view?)
- ICANN and parties in support of ICANN have no ability or wish to influence
the operations of other enterprises outside the purview of ICANN - such as the
Pacific and Atlantic Roots
- While "increasing competition" is one of the objectives of ICANN this must
necessarily be restricted to address those operations operating within the
sphere of ICANN's responsibility.
- ICANN does need to actively manage the Internet space that it has
responsibility for and the DNS within it, in order to maintain stability.
I would contend that the above four points do NOT need discussion, hence our
discussion can focus on what policy directions we might propose to the ICANN
Board in order to meet these principles.
Elaboration on the need for principle 1
I think it might be instructive to build the case for principle 1. There is
enough that is confusing and concept challenging about the Internet for most
businesses and individuals, that removing any added confusion derived from
conflicting or misrepresented naming schemes has to be hugely beneficial.
Leaving aside issues of fraudulent misrepresentation, there is simply the burden
of time wasting for users in not reaching the address that they expect to reach.
For businesses there is the additional issue of ensuring that your trademarks
are properly protected and represented on the Internet.
Possible Policy Directions
Working from the above "givens", it now behoves the NC to articulate policy
in order that the ICANN Board can formulate plans and processes to ensure
Principle 4 above is implemented. I suggest the following for discussion:
- Given 2 above, ICANN should not seek to "coordinate" anything with any
other party that chooses to do its own thing in its own space. Other parties
should be left to develop their own naming scheme for use in their own name
space. If they choose to implement naming schemes that are similar, or more
importantly, confusingly similar, that should not be of any concern to either
their users or users in the ICANN DNS space as the two naming spaces will be
operated quite separately.
- ICANN should not seek to limit naming schemes that other operators might
choose to develop in their private space, to do so might be construed as being
- ICANN, on behalf of its stakeholders, should take as many active measures
as it can to maintain the stability of the DNS that it is responsible for.
Such measure might include:
- ICANN should include requirements for specific performance in contracts
with those parties who require authorisation from ICANN to operate in the
ICANN DNS space, EG Authorised Registries and Registrars be required to not
misrepresent other name structures as being related to or accessible from
within the ICANN DNS space.
Note: This is NOT to suggest ICANN seek to restrict the ability of a
Registry or Registrar from also working with an organisation other than
- ICANN should consider the merits of forming contractual relationships
with other parties where there is no current formal contractual
relationship. This would be with the express purpose of enhancing stability
and reducing confusion. Such parties might include non gTLD registrars,
ISPs, web browser providers, even individual commercial domain name holders.
This should be a positive win-win relationship.
- ICANN should, with the assistance of its wide stakeholder base, promote
the unique qualities and benefits of operating in the Internet Space for
which it has management responsibility.
The "problem" of new.net
With regards to the "problem" of new.net, I suggest a similar variant to that
above. In my view, the issue with new.net is not that they are creating
sub-domains that are similar to gTLDs. They should be free to do so, just as
ccTLDs should be free to do so. The problem is that it appears that new.net is
misrepresenting how these domains eg, www.your.biz.new.net, are going to be able
to be promoted eg. as www.your.biz and then working with ISPs (anyone else?) to
have them conspire with new.net to support this misrepresentation by way of
corrupting the unique resolution of truncated - hence not unique - names.
Again ICANN should be actively managing a resolution to the problem along the
- Strengthening contracts with Registries and Registrars to include specific
performance clauses on the misrepresentation of a gTLD.
- Creating the same positive "authorisation" process with ISPs and others,
based upon their support not to misrepresent and mis-resolve unique domain
As an aside
I take as a useful model, in developing my thinking on the ICANN DNS and
anyone else's DNS, is that of telephone numbering.
The ITU is responsible for ensuring a globally unique numbering scheme
operates for its constituent members (those countries that are members of the
ITU or who choose to abide by its rules). In so doing, the ITU is the sole
manager and issuer of country codes eg +44 for the UK, +64 for NZ. The country
code is allocated to Government authorised body (NOTE: The only reason that the
Government comes into play here is a quirk of history and that telephone
numbering is generally geographically constrained - I am not suggesting that
Governments are a necessary element in the allocating of ccTLDs). The duly
authorised holder of a country code will then be free to develop the sub
numbering scheme, eg, area codes, toll free codes, local number ranges, etc,
within a very high level overall number length limitation.
While all PSTN (public switched telephone network) operators develop their
own numbering schemes within the ITU and authorised government numbering
management authority, to ensure the PSTN numbering scheme is unique, they are
also free to develop their own - and quite likely conflicting - private
numbering schemes for their VPN (virtual private networks). Each operator is
required to manage the interface between their VPN and the PSTN so that their
clients do not have any "confusing conflicts". They most certainly do not
represent to either their VPN users or the users of another PSTN, that a
customer's VPN number is contactable from another PSTN.
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