Re: [ga] Austerity measures

[Jonathan Weinberg <weinberg@mail.msen.com>]

         It does seem as if we have overwhelming consensus from all who 
have spoken, *including* Elisabeth (although not Philip), that abolition of 
ga-full would be undesirable:  It would destabilize a hard-fought 
compromise over moderation, it would remove the transparency of existing 
moderation, and it would introduce no appreciable cost savings.

Jon


Jonathan Weinberg
weinberg@msen.com



At 12:14 PM 5/15/2001 +0200, Thomas Roessler wrote:
>On 2001-05-15 10:30:35 +0200, Philip Sheppard wrote:
>
>>Thomas, thanks for the link to the archives. Doesn't this highlight the 
>>issue? There is vast duplication.
>
>The duplication is by design: Those who subscribe to ga-full get ALL 
>messages which are ever sent to ga.  Those who subscribe to ga only get 
>those messages which pass the filters.
>
>>What is being gained here? At best ga members receive each message twice. 
>>Isn't this list the result of a supposed problem that has not happened?
>
>I think that ga-full is important, even though it has just 17 subscribers 
>(according to majordomo): It adds a lot of transparency to the moderation 
>(or filtering, or censoring - you can call this whatever you want) process 
>on ga.  In particular, everyone can compare the archives of the two lists, 
>and thus monitor the kind of moderation (filtering, ...) of the ga list.
>
>This kind of transparency helps to protect the list chairs and monitors 
>from allegations of hidden agendas or censorship of valid messages.  It 
>also protects the list from discussions and flame wars which would 
>inevitably be the consequence of such allegations.
>
>Put in simpler words, ga-full solves the "who monitors the monitors" 
>problem by making their work public.
>
>Removing the ga-full list would most likely have unpleasant side-effects 
>on the filtered ga list, and make it even less usable than it is now.
>
>Don't do it.
>
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