Re: [ga] Re: What list forwards to what list

[James Touton <jim.touton@netzero.net>]

Roberto and all Assembly members,

Roberto Gaetano wrote:

> Karl Auerbach wrote:
> >
> >To me that intolerable garbage is e-mail that says "censorship is OK".
>
> >To some that intolerable garbage is e-mail that makes references to
> bodily
> >functions.
> >
> >But should the reaction be to gag the speaker or to individually block
> our
> >ears.
> >
> >I chose the latter approach.
>
> You have freedom of choice, and can choose for yourself the approach you
>  wish, but cannot assume that everybody will make the same choice.
> Moreover, you cannot *impose* on everybody to choose your approach.

  Very true.  I hope you also realize this as well Roberto.  If however you
are using this comments to Karl and all of us as justification for
CENSORSHIP,
than no I am afraid you are mistaken.  There is NO justification for
CENSORSHIP.
I am sure that you know this.

>
>
> It is clear that we will not have the perfect solution that will make
> everybody happy.
> Either make unhappy the ones who do not want to participate in a list
> that enforces rules, even if only about civil discourse, or make unhappy
>  those who do not want to participate in a list that allows verbal
> aggression by some subscribers to the others.

  Rules that please everybody are of course not attainable.  Rules that
please most of the participants and are decided by them, is.

>
> I understand your question of principle, but I cannot pretend I don't
> hear the reasons of the others.

  I am gladly you and everybody can.  This is a good thing.  It should be
so.  It is also a good thing that no one is disenfranchised by using rules
that are designed to dod so.  I am also sure that you understand this as
well
Roberto.

>
>
> This is a common problem. Abusers are everywhere, and the current
> tendency, in our imperfect world, is to prevent abuse, or punish it, not
>  to turn the head on the other side and pretend you don't see.

  I note a tint of paranoia in you comment here Roberto.  That is a
terrible thing and one that is or should not be a deciding factor in
making a reasonable decision.  If it is, than your or anyone's decision
is unduly tainted by their paranoia.  That is a very debilitating thing.
It can have some serious ramifications that are far reaching.

>
>
> Wanna make a test? Pick the public debate of your choice in the
> democratic country of your choice (in a city hall, on Capitol Hill, in a
>  tribunal, wherever), drop by and start insulting people at random, best
>  if women and with explicit language. Then, try to convince the
> attendees that they should close their ears rather than try to censor
> you limiting your freedom of speech.
>
> Let us know how it ended.

  This is an interesting challenge.  But it is of little relevance.

>
>
> Regards
> Roberto

James Touton
Legal and Policy Advisory Council,
INEGRoup (Stakeholder)



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