Re: [ga-abuse] Re: Request for clarification to:Re: [Admin] Challenge of identity

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Harald,

  I removed Bob and James from this post as they will get automatically
anyway.

=============

  I just got off the phone with Bob Davis.  I think this whole thing
is really going way to far.  What is your beef with Bob or James?
For that matter what is you beef with me?

  Harald, I told you some several weeks ago when you sent me
a post about this CENSORSHIP issue before.  Do you recall?
I am trying very hard to be nice and understand your point and
interest here, and I am taking it for granted for the moment that
you are trying to be honorable and do the right thing.  I understand
that you have a complaint from William Walsh, and must follow
up on it.  I have a problem with that, BUT, I also understand
your position I think, also.

  First, James and Bob, cannot provide the information in any other
format than they have already, with the possible exception of
James and sending his PGP keys.  They are restricted by both
contract and power of attorney to me, for their participation
in INEGroup, and contract to the INEGRoup members in their
respected areas or responsibility by region.  Under fear of penalty
of law, they can only allow in very special and distinct circumstances,
such as s subpoena or a law enforcement investigation, provide in the
suggested format, the information you requested to determine their
identities to settle this matter. I in turn am therefore also under
a similar restriction as well...

  Second, you have yet to provide where to send any information other
than this mailing list address or your E-M.  No address or fax number
has yet to be provided, not that this matters, but it doesn't seem that this
is what you are really after.  Do you follow so far?  I am NOT saying
that you have an ulterior motive at all, I am saying that it is as James
said impossible to comply in your suggested form, even if we were
not legally restricted.  James also in brief I think, outlined some of
the Privacy restrictions that the Privacy act entails to help
clarify this as well.

  Third, I do not have any idea whom you really are either, but I am willing
to except on faith that as a participant that you are who you say you are
for purposes of this DNSO GA Mailing list.  Yet you know that I have
been a long time participant and have chatted with several other
participants on the phone as well as met with one of them Scott Lowry.
I even provided him a look at my drivers license for identities sake.
Ask him yourself, if you like. Scott Lowry <slowry@fjicl.com>  He is
listed in the Frisco Texas Phone directory white pages.  He lives about
9 miles from me.

  Forth, you also have alternate methods that Bob provided for means of
identification, such as FOIA requests to the NTIA, and FEC (Federal election
commission) on both Bob and James.  You can also look them up in
netzero's directory, and as soon as the update is made on whowhere,
they are listed there too.  Bob has also sent you his PGP keys as well
as I understand.

Fifth, if you need to identify me personally you can always fly to Dallas
and I would be more than happy to meet you at the airport if that is what
you want.  However James leaves for the orient on monday for a few
days or maybe two weeks, I am not sure of the length of time he will
be gone.  I also have had a family emergency today that I have had to
deal with for most of the day on and off as well, compounding and delaying
my response and requiring James to stand in temporarily.

Sixth, I take great exception to William Walsh as the complaintant here,
as he is well known for his slurs and false accusations which this whole
challenge is all about.  I also take some exception that these rules
are in place as there has been no mandate for them as you an Roberto
well know and have stated yourselves.

  And last.  You had also mentioned that the phone number that James
give you as well and I think Bob as well was my HOME number.  That is
not correct.  My home number is unlisted and not available for business
use at all.  972-447-1894 as listed in my SIG file below is our office
number for INEG and INEGRoup, as INEGRoup shares some
small office space across the hall from my office.  There are some
255 extensions off this line, and about 40 or so of them are used
presently.  Voice forwarding is usually turned on as an option we
have on our phone systems that we developed using a TMAPI, if
that is of any interest.  None the less you can call that number and
be transferred to security, just as James said, or personnel, whichever
you wish and they will be expecting your call if that is helpful for both
James and Bob.  The security will provide you with independent
authorization and information regarding any of INEGRoup's officers
by name through an independent security agency, which is blind to
us.

Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:

At 09:58 12.02.00 -0800, James Touton wrote:

>   Roeland knows Jeff, though they have never physically met.

The fact that Jeff exists is not in question (though what his name is may
be a part of an answer to the question). The question is whether James and
Bob have identities distinct from Jeff.

> > William X. Walsh made the challenge.
> > I as the list monitor decided to press it.
>
>   Thank you for informing me, I am sure that you realize that considering
>the source this is circumspect at best.  Are you aware of his nefarious
>other activities dating back to 1998 at least?  If you like I will pass them
>on for your review.  Given William Walsh as the source whom has
>had a long standing feud with Jeff and INEGroup I think you can see
>plainly that this is just an attempt to silence Jeff, and our members
>unjustly and unfairly.  I hope that you will give this fact the reasonable
>consideration it strongly and justly deserves.  You also know that in the
>past the DNSO List admin kick William off of the DNSO GA list
>for his behavior as well, aren't you?

As should be obvious by now, Walsh' background and opinions do not matter
now. It is me you have to convince.

>   You may find me on whowhere if you wish

"sorry, no exact matches were found".
Are you claiming to be Lester Touton or Carol Tomaino Touton? Those were
the only Toutons I could find.

>  as well I aI have singed this
>post with my temp digital ID.

I guess you know that your digital ID as used to sign this post includes
the words "Verisign Class 1 CA Individual Subscriber - Persona not validated".

> >
> > I requested that you prove to my satisfaction that you, Bob Davis and Jim
> > Touton are distinct persons.
>
>   As I am answering for Jeff here for the reasons I indicated above,
>I am signing this post.  And again you may call our main number
>and ask for security. (972-447-1894) ask for security or personnel
>If it is a weekend day that you call leave a message and indicate whom
>you wish to return your call (Security or personnel) and a contact number
>where you can be contacted and they will call you within a 24 hours
>of your message.

Sorry; that's Jeff's personal phone.
I'm still asking whether YOU exist.

> >
> > If you decline to comply with that request, I will cause Bob Davis and Jim
> > Touton to be denied posting rights to the GA list.
>
>   This would be unfortunate.  There are always alternatives, many of them.
>Some are not very nice.  I am sure that you would not enjoy them.  I can
>with this post get an injunction in the 5th district court if necessary for
>instance
>without you even being here as you are not an american or do not reside in
>the US.  I will receive a judgment in 7 days following that injunction.  I
>would
>very much dislike doing that for several reasons.

I would regard a legal communication from an US judge stating that a
legally identified person called James Touton had caused the judge to take
action as proof that James Touton existed; if this is your preferred way of
proving your existence, please go ahead.

I take it from the prose you sent me that you are refusing to mail or fax
me a notarized copy of your civil identification?

                        Harald T. Alvestrand

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