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[council] NC telecon, 24 January 2001, minutes

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       DNSO Names Council Teleconference on 24 January 2001 - minutes

24 January 2001 

Proposed agenda and related documents:


List of attendees:

   Peter de Blanc          ccTLD
   Elisabeth Porteneuve    ccTLD
   Oscar Robles Garay      ccTLD
   Philip Sheppard         Business
   Theresa Swinehart       Business
   Hirofumi Hotta          ISPCP       (arrived late)
   Tony Harris             ISPCP       (joined at 22:10, proxy for M.Schneider)
   Michael Schneider       ISPCP
   Erica Roberts           Registrars
   Ken Stubbs              Registrars
   Paul Kane               Registrars
   Roger Cochetti          gTLD
   Caroline Chicoine       IP
   Axel Aus der Muhlen     IP
   Guillermo Carey         IP          (left at 23:39 and rejoined later)
   Youn Jung Park          NCDNH
   Dany Vandromme          NCDNH
   Zakaria Amar            NCDNH       absent
   Louis Touton            ICANN staff
   Maca Jamin              Scribe

Quorum present at 22:09 (all times reported are CET, which is UTC +1:00
during the winter in the North hemisphere)

Minutes of the meeting.

K. Stubbs, who chaired a NC meeting for the last time, opened the meeting by
welcoming all participants. He expressed his pleasure in working as a Chair
trying to help DNSO process to move forward. Due to a rather heavy agenda,
he urged the participants to respect time slots allocated to each item.

   * Agenda Item 1. Confirmation of scribe and audio recording of the

          Scribe was confirmed and it was decided to explore further
          possibilities of arranging audio recordings of the NC
          teleconference meetings.

   * Agenda Item 2. Approval of the Agenda

          Y.J. Park wished to add an agenda item on establishment of a
          working group on individuals constituency.

          K. Stubbs recalled that there is an item 13 on the Agenda
          examining GA request for "NC to consider an Individuals
          Constituency", and not a setting up of a working group.

          To clarify a discussion Ph. Sheppard quoted Agenda procedure
          document (version August 4th, 2000) concerning last minute

               Last minute. In case of issues arising subsequent to the
               above timetable, NC members will be able to propose items for
               any other business at the start of an NC meeting. Such items
               will be accepted for discussion that day or deferred to the
               IC at the discretion of the NC chair.

          It was decided to consider Y.J. Park's suggested item under A.O.B.
          and, if no time available, to postpone a discussion to the next

   * Agenda Item 3. Nominations for NC Chair for period February - July 2001
     (New Chair will propose NC meeting dates for March - Dec 2001 by end

          C. Chicoine moved the motion, second by E. Porteneuve, to elect
          Ph. Sheppard as the Names Council Chair for the period February -
          July 2001.

               Decision D1:

               Ph. Sheppard was unanimously elected as Names Council Chair
               for the period February - July 2001 by 15 votes in favour, no
               opposition and no abstentions.

          Ph. Sheppard thanked the Council for their confidence and informed
          that calendar of the NC meetings for the whole period of his
          mandate will be provided at the end of January 2001.

          He also mentioned objectives the NC is to achieve during this
          coming period after having had, up to now, successfully
          consolidated its procedures and functioning:
             + Move strongly forward on issues the NC and DNSO consider as
               essential to its role and impact on further development of
             + Develop and put in place the DNSO business plan

   * Agenda Item 4. Approval of the Summary of the 19th December Meeting


               Decision D2:

               The minutes of the Names Council teleconference of December
               19th were approved by 16 votes in favour, no opposition and
               no abstentions.

   * Agenda Item 5. NC Minutes - approval and publication process

          E. Roberts described her proposal designed to ensure a simple
          approval process for publishing of the NC meetings Minutes and to
          comply with ICANN Bylaws:

                  * require scribe to provide a Chair with the notes within
                    7 days
                  * 3 days for chair to finalise a text and send it to the
                  * if no comments received in 7 days, the Minutes should be
                    deemed approved. In case of a disagreement it would be
                    the Chair's responsibility to complete the process
                    within the 21 days time frame and submit them for

               No additional approval by the NC is needed and the Chair is
               ultimate authority and the objections could be raised at the
               next meeting.

          E. Porteneuve observed that 21 days time limit is rather short and
          that setting up of such a strict scheme could become a
          considerable constraint. She spoke in favour of more flexible

          P. Kane suggested accepting E. Roberts' idea on a temporary basis
          and reviewing a process later, if needed.

          On C. Chocoine's question which time slot seemed more
          problematical, E.Porteneuve responded that 2 or 3 days given to
          the secretariat to publish the Minutes is rather short, taking
          inot account travel, weekends, holiday period etc.

          C. Chicoine pointed out that the period of time that looks short
          is one allocated to a Chair, who has a great responsibility in the

          Ph.Sheppard found timetable 7+3+7 rather realistic and he proposed
          to test and respect the scheme during his mandate.

          K. Stubbs suggested giving more time to Chair: 5 days instead of
          only 3.

          C. Chicoine stressed that if objections occur a Chair will have to
          work with other parties, but a calendar, set in advance, could
          help in planning different stages of the process.

          L. Touton recalled two requirements of the Bylaws :

               Article VI section 2h (requires publishing but not formal
               approval of the Minutes not later than 21 days):

               "The NC shall post minutes to a web site that is available
               for public access as soon as practicable following the
               meeting, and not later than 21 days following the meeting"

               And Article III section 2a:

               "All minutes of meetings of the Board, Supporting
               Organizations (and any councils thereof) and Committees shall
               be approved promptly by the originating body."

          E. Roberts suggested putting in place on-line approval process.

          Ph. Sheppard proposed public posting of the Minutes within 21

          L.Touton suggested that to satisfy the Bylaws include into the
          decision: "approval by the Names Council at the following

               Decision D3:

               The NC is taking a temporary motion, to be changed if
               necessary (moved by P. de Blanc second Ph. Sheppard).

               The NC Minutes approval and publication process will be as
                  * Not later than 7 days - a scribe will draft and send
                    notes to the Chair,
                  * Not later than 5 days - a Chair will finalise a text,
                  * Not later than 7 days - a chair will resolve conflicting
                  * Notes will be made public within 21 days and approved by
                    the NC.

          The motion was adopted with 16 votes in favour, no opposition and
          no abstentions.

   * Agenda item 6: Nominations for the Independent Review Panel nominations

          (see http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc04/msg00622.html
          Independent Review Panel Nominating Committee).

             + http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc04/msg00577.html,
               Louis Pouzin and Olivier Iteanu (proposal by Elisabeth
               Porteneuve supported by Dany Vandromme)
             + http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc04/msg00578.html,
               Scott Hemphill (proposal by Ken Stubbs supported by Caroline

          As the party to a nomination process of DNSO candidates, K. Stubbs
          stepped dawn as a Chair and asked Ph. Sheppard to moderate
          discussions on this topic.

          L. Touton, who has provided a written information on the matter,
          as requested by E. Roberts at the December 19th Call, informed the
          Council about the nominations already made by other Supporting
             * ASO has nominated two people from Asia/Pacific Region
             * PSO has nominated one person from Asia/Pacific Region

          He reiterated that two persons from DNSO are needed and that it is
          the Names Council responsibility to make final nominations (there
          are no requirements concerning a regional diversity).

          K. Stubbs provided information on Scott Hemphill, a candidate he
          proposed to become a member of the IRC Nominating Committee.

          S. Hemphill is an attorney with an extensive knowledge of DNS and
          ICANN process. As a general counsel for an ICANN accredited
          registrar, he will contribute to development of ICANN work

          E. Porteneuve also briefly presented the two candidates she has
             + Louis Pouzin, involved with the French packed network, active
               within standardisation bodies, Internet Society and familiar
               with ICANN work would move forward ICANN matters.
             + Olivier Iteanu, French lawyer specialised in Internet
               matters, president of French Chapter of Internet Society, an
               experienced person, will bring new dynamics to ICANN work.

          She also suggested, as there are three candidates 1 form USA and 2
          from Europe, to choose one from each region.

          L.Touton asked if there are any other nominations to be made at
          this meeting.

               No other names were proposed as candidates for IRC Nominating

          E. Porteneuve suggested to choose S. Hemphill and O. Iteneau as
          members of the IRC Nominating Committee and to consider L. Pouzin
          as a potential candidate for the Independent Review Panel.

          P. de Blanc supported the motion.

          L. Touton recalled that IRPNomCom's responsibility is to nominate
          members to the Independent Review Panel. To complete a process all
          nominations are subject to confirmation by the ICANN Board.

               Decision D4:

               The NC appointed Scott Hemphill and Olivier Iteanu as members
               of the IRC Nominating Committee.

          Decision was adopted unanimously by 16 votes in favour, no
          opposition and no abstentions.

   * Agenda item 7: Budget Committee - recommendation on 2001 budget and
     coinstituency contributions

        o Status of Constituencies Contributions to the DNSO for 1999 and

          K. Stubbs asked R. Cochetti to moderate this agenda item.

          R. Cochetti recalled three points on which the NC should decide:

               7.1 liability to AFNIC (services provided during year 2000)

               7.2 Proposed budget for year 2001

               7.3 Constituencies? dues

          7.1 Budget Committee has reviewed liability to AFNIC and proposes
          to pay AFNIC for provided services amounting to $59,400 on the
          receipt of the invoice and under the following conditions
          (accepted by AFNIC):
             + Provision of services at no cost during a three-month
               transition period
             + A satisfactory report to the NC on the intellectual property
               rights that the DNSO has acquired from AFNIC's work.
             + Provision to the NC by AFNIC of a report on how AFNIC's costs
               should be allocated among the elements of the DNSO

          K. Stubbs drew the attention of the Council not to open Pandora?s
          box and have other organisations also claim money for the services
          provided in the past, as no formal agreement exists between the
          two parties.

          R. Cochetti stressed the transparency aspect of the services
          provided by AFNIC and a notice sent in advance stating their
          intention to end provision of services. Both sides failed to take
          the steps they should have to set up a formal relationship. He
          agreed that we cannot guarantee that no one will claim payments,
          but thought this will not prejudice to the NC.

          K. Stubbs underlined a superior quality of AFNIC services and made
          clear that his remark does not reflect their appreciation but only
          concerns the process as such. He invited the Council to formalise
          arrangements for services provided in the future

          P. Kane insisted that AFNIC should be paid once clarifications
          made. He also questioned when the three-month AFNIC transition
          period begins and asked whether there was time available to select
          a new provider of web and listserv hosting services.

          R. Cochetti mentioned different possibilities:
             + 3-month transition period starts on January 1st 2001,
             + 3-month transition period starts upon the receipt of a

          P. de Blanc informed that the AFNIC services ended on December
          31st 2000 and that DNSO should be paying for them as soon as

          E. Porteneuve confirmed that the transition period starts as of
          January 1st 2001.

          K. Stubbs supported P. Kane's proposal to pay AFNIC.

               Decision D5:

               (motion moved by K. Stubbs and second by Ph. Sheppard)

               The Names Council Chair (Ph. Sheppard according to the
               results of the election at this meeting) will instruct ICANN
               to make a payment upon a receipt of two compliant reports and
               after the following conditions have been met:
                  + Services provided at no cost during interim period,
                  + A satisfactory report from AFNIC on the IP acquired by
                    the DNSO,
                  + Additional report on how AFNIC'S costs should be
                    allocated within the DNSO.

          7.2 Proposed budget for year 2001

          R. Cochetti commented operating budget for year 2001 divided into
          two categories:

            i. Voluntary contributions

               It is difficult to estimate the amount of voluntary
               contributions as no clear process on how to raise those
               contributions is in place yet. The Budget Committee has
               therefore not maid any recommendations.
           ii. Funding by dues is the basis of the 2001 budget. They take
               into account all late payments yet to come. Contingency will
               permit more flexibility in allocating money to different
               actions considered important and not forecasted.

               In order to meet expenses amounting to $ 107,600 and
               expecting the number of DNSO Constituency staying unchanged
               (7) due per Constituency for 2001 will amount to $15,371.

          T. Harris found the provisional budget excellent but pointed out
          that the amount of $30,000 allocated to web site and list serve
          maintenance seemed rather high compared to only $10,000 allocated
          for translation of documents.

          R. Cochetti insisted that this should be considered as an approach
          showing budget categories only. The Budget Committee recommends
          that NC develop some criteria for translations. As to the list
          serve, not all the money have to be spent but it must kept in mind
          that the management of the lists serve is not only a silent
          process but includes management of the rather costly voting
          process for ICANN Board Directors.

          Ph. Sheppard asked for the clarification as to the increase of
          Constituency dues.

          K. Stubbs responded that this budget is based on existing
          Constituencies and any newly formed Constituency will pay its due
          on pro rata based conditions.

          D. Vandromme reiterated his request, already made at the Marina
          del Rey meeting for a 50% reduction for Non Commercial
          Constituency due.

          The NC has taken a note of this request.

          L. Touton inquired if there is a practical report on voluntary

          R. Cocheti recalled the NC decision to accept voluntary donations.
          Budget Committee will submit a complete plan on how to employ this
          part of the revenue later.

          P. Kane suggested that NC examine specific expenses in more
          details and takes budget expenses listed here as information.

          R. Cochetti restated that these are only budgetary category items,
          and when the NC will have a professional support the more specific
          financial reports will be provided regularly.

          First attempt to vote on the budget failed and those who have
          abstained provided explanation of their vote:
             + D. Vandromme: cannot commit the Non Commercial constituency
               with such a high due.
             + Ph. Sheppard: Budget Committee reached a decision in
               principle on an assumption to collect the 2001 dues from the
               Constituencies who have not paid their 2000 dues yet.
             + H. Hotta: due to his late arrival has not had a chance to
               follow a discussion.

          E. Roberts suggested taking separate votes on constituencies' dues
          and on indicative budget for year 2001.

          R. Cochetti disagreed explaining that those two points are linked
          as we have to start collecting the money and start sending out
          invoices for year 2001.

          K. Stubbs called the NC to vote on a Budget Committee report:

          The motion did not pass: with 7 votes in favour (de Blanc,
          Porteneuve, Caray, Cochetti, Stubbs, Chicoine, Aus der Muhlen), 9
          abstentions (Sheppard, Hotta, Harris, Schneider (by proxy)
          Swinehart, Roberts, Kane, Park, Vandromme), and no vote against.

          K. Stubbs expressed his deep disappointment in not reaching a
          decision on this topic. He also inquired on when the report was
          circulated to the Council members.

          E. Porteneuve informed that it was on 24th January.

          Due to a short time given to the NC to consider this issue, K.
          Stubbs suggested to organise a special teleconference very soon,
          aimed at reaching an agreement on a DNSO budget.

          P. de Blanc invited the Council to come up with some kind of
          agreement on a budget first and see later about the Constituency
          contributions. In his opinion there is an urgent need to do
          something concerning this matter.

          R. Cochetti suggested differing further discussion to the next
          meeting allowing NC members to study a report more thoroughly.

          Th. Swinehart thanked the Budget Committee for a valuable work
          they have done. She also indicated that as a Constituency
          representative she could not commit the Constituency by a vote
          before checking that the Constituency can pay its due. She agreed
          with K Stubbs? proposal to schedule another call within a week and
          recommended that everybody participating in that call make a
          decision on Constituency funds

          At this point (23:39) G. Carey left a call for a half an hour.

   * Agenda item 8: Review Process.

        o Preliminary report of NC Review Task Force (Theresa Swinehart) -
          30 mins
        o Working Group - request for extension of deadline, clarification
          of terms of reference (YJ Park - 10 mins)

          Documents referenced in

          Th.Swinehart summed up briefly different stages of the Review
          process. (E. Porteneuve prepared WG review - History in the Making
          to be found on: http://www.dnso.org/wgroups/wg-review-history.html

          An interim report was circulated on 21st January 2001, which
          included all contributions received from: Constituencies,
          individual contributors and WG Review.

          She thanked all those, who by their contributions moved a process
          forward and mentioned main points expressed in comments such as :
             * DNSO structure and its overall performance,
             * Discussion of Constituencies (additional information needed),
             * GA interest in forming an individuals Constituency,
             * WGs their drawbacks and benefits,
             * NC structure and procedures,
             * Secretariat,
             * Outreach and translation of documents.

          As stated in a press release issued after the December 19th call,
          WG submitted comments on 15th January (extension of the initial
          schedule set for January 6th). Additional comments will be added
          to the first version and version 2 posted for public comment
          (January 26th - February 6th).Comments received will be
          incorporated and report sent to ICANN Board who will post a
          document for another public comment period.

          K. Stubbs opened a discussion inviting participants to make brief

          C. Chicoine proposed to send her comment by e-mail to Th.
          Swinehart (copy to the NC).

          Y.J. Park requested the extension of a deadline to enable WG
          Review to continue their work. She insisted that the draft version
          should not go for public comment and the process should be
          continued in order to come up with some conclusions.

          Th. Swinehart recalled that the Task Force collected information
          based on a Questionnaire and incorporated all of them into the
          Interim report (reference is given to all comments encouraging
          readers to consult them). She indicated that the WG Review has
          done a tremendous job, but objected appreciation of the report.

          T. Harris and P. Kane congratulated Theresa for her work and
          offered to send their comments by e-mail.

          Th. Swinehart said, as this is a DNSO report, that more time to
          comment on Interim report will be available.

          P. Kane urged the WG Review to send comments on Interim report and
          by doing so permit their inclusion into the final version.

          Y.J. Park stated that the WG Review would like to provide
          recommendations, which could not be finalised by 26th January.

          P. de Blanc, as a participant in WG discussions, suggested to
          append to Th. Swinehart?s document those issues on which the WG
          Review has reached polling stage, without looking for resolutions.

          Discussion focused on timetable, which apparently cannot be
          changed, and K. Stubbs reminded the participants on the decision
          taken on December 19th Call:

               Decision D4 (December 19th):

               - establish a Review Working Group, chaired by Y.J. Park

               - make the "terms of reference" "responding to the RTF

               - make the lifetime of the WG January 15th

               - ask the group to report by January 15th to the NC Review
               Task Force.

               - issue a press release immediately to encourage
               participation in this WG.

          Ph. Sheppard invited the meeting to make a distinction between the
          WG action in responding to the Questionnaire and the solutions
          finding process. He also mentioned the excellent job the WG has
          done in making outreach and in increasing the DNSO review process.

          Th. Swinehart reminded that we have to follow the schedule in
          order to meet public comment period (an extension of a deadline
          was already provided by the Board).

          Y.J.Park expressed some observations as to the Review Task Force

          K. Stubbs noted the diversity of opinions and stressed that we
          have to follow the agreed timetable. He encouraged further
          comments, in particular those coming from the WG Review , be
          submitted during the public comment period.

          P. de Blanc proposed, when posting the report, prepared by Th.
          Swinehart, to DNSO, to append existing 6-9 polling items of the WG
          Review (second by P. Kane).

          E. Portenueve appreciated P. de Blanc's initiative and thanked
          both Th. Swinehart and Y.J. Park for their work. She also said,
          that this is certainly not the last time the DNSO has put in place
          a review process.

          Y.J. Park mentioned that Greg Burton was elected a WG co-Chair
          (she will be acting as a liaison Chair).

          K.Stubbs pointed out excellent job G. Burton has done and invited
          him to take this opportunity and incorporate excellent
          contributions the WG has collected.

          Th. Swinehart said that during phase two the WG could come up with
          resolutions on specific issues.

               Decision D6:

               (Motion moved by P. de Blanc)

               Append to Th. Swinehart Interim report whatever topic items
               exist, or 6-9 polling items, of the WG Review and post them
               together for public comment, 26th January - 9th February

          K. Stubbs suggested that G.Burton forwards information to Th.

          The motion passed with 15 votes in favour (including G. Carey who
          rejoined the meeting at 00:14), one vote against (Y.J. Park) and
          no abstentions.

          Y.J. Park stated that it is impossible for Review TF to come up
          with its Interim report within two days from now.

          Y.J Park also stated that the current version should be posted in
          the name of an individual, Theresa Swinehart, instead of a Review
          TF, who doesn't provide proper, open and formal channel of
          discussion among the full members and excludes some member's
          comments upon her own decision rather than seeking Review TF's
          full agreement.

          Subsequent to the meeting Y.J. Park has sent her apologies and
          asked to withdraw this last observation.

          Due to the late hours, K. Stubbs proposed to close this meeting
          and to call another one very soon to tackle all Agenda items not
          covered at this meeting, including the DNSO budget. He insisted
          that the items have to be taken up before a month period (P. de
          Blanc second that motion).

          Th. Swinehart suggested choosing a date.

          Ph. Sheppard agreed to arrange a call in two weeks time.

          E. Porteneuve drew the NC attention to numerous meetings the
          ccTLDs will hold during the coming month, the main reason why she
          had suggested February 26th as a date for the NC meeting in the
          first place.

          K. Stubbs concluded that an hour call be organised in one week
          time and encouraged everybody to come up with decisions.

          He closed the meeting by expressing his pleasure in continuing to
          work as a member of the NC and thanked all participants for their

          End of the meeting 00:22 CET.


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