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RE: [registrars] PersonalNames.com


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Agreed.
 
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@tucows.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:38 AM
To: tim@godaddy.com; 'Elana Broitman'; wessorh@ar.com
Cc: registrars@dnso.org
Subject: RE: [registrars] PersonalNames.com

I would prefer to take people's word for it. This wasn't envisioned as an enforcement tool or a weapon to use in a "witch-hunt" as Mike puts it, rather, it should be viewed as a benchmark to indicate to those that may be on the wrong side of the registry/registrar fence when they have indeed crossed the line based on the preset expectations of their peers.
 
 


                       -rwr




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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 10:36 AM
To: Elana Broitman; ross@tucows.com; wessorh@ar.com
Cc: registrars@dnso.org
Subject: RE: [registrars] PersonalNames.com

The only difference is that one is enforceable, the other is isn't. We should be able to reliably identify officers, employees, and board directors of registries. But determining what level of access they have to proprietary or sensitive information will be more difficult. Or do you propose we just take their word for it?
 
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: Elana Broitman [mailto:ebroitman@register.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:33 PM
To: 'tim@godaddy.com'; ross@tucows.com; wessorh@ar.com
Cc: registrars@dnso.org
Subject: RE: [registrars] PersonalNames.com

Tim - I would offer a friendly amendment to your language to keep it within the more narrow relm proposed by Ross, as follows:


"... that any officer, employee, or board director of any ICANN recognized
gTLD registry in the possession of or with access to registry
>Proprietary Information >(http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/name/registry-agmt-apph-06mar01.htm#A-
>3.1 in the case of GNR) or Registry Sensitive Information >(http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/name/registry-agmt-apph-06mar01.htm#A- not be permitted to participate in this constituency at any level, in any capacity, for a period of one year since holding such position

and that our by-laws be amended to reflect this."

Regards, Elana

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:29 PM
To: ross@tucows.com; wessorh@ar.com
Cc: registrars@dnso.org
Subject: RE: [registrars] PersonalNames.com


What about something like this:

"... that any officer, employee, or board director of any ICANN recognized
gTLD registry not be permitted to participate in this constituency at any
level, in any capacity, for a period of one year since holding such position
and that our by-laws be amended to reflect this."

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@tucows.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:36 AM
To: tim@godaddy.com; 'Rick Wesson'
Cc: registrars@dnso.org
Subject: RE: [registrars] PersonalNames.com



> Like it or not, there will never again be a clear distinction
> between registrars and registries. We are all in this to make
> a profit. While I don't want people involved on this list, or
> in the RC, that have intimate, confidential knowledge of our
> businesses, I also don't want to preclude a legitimate party
> from being able to participate.

Tim - if this has been lost in the exchange somewhere, let me clarify
for the record - this is *precisely* the sentiment and intent of the
motion. I believe that it strikes an appropriate balance between these
two competing dynamics to the benefit of the constituency.

If there is a clearer way to word it, I am open to friendly amendments
of the motion.


                       -rwr




"There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an
idiot."
- Steven Wright

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-registrars@dnso.org
> [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> To: Rick Wesson; Ross Wm. Rader
> Cc: registrars@dnso.org
> Subject: RE: [registrars] PersonalNames.com
>
>
> Rick,
>
> > completely within our capabilities to clearly separate
> registrars from
> > those that work for registries
>
> That I don't think I agree with. If that is where this is
> leading then I would object. I don't want this list, and the
> RC that represents my business interests, captured by a group
> of mostly small registrars promoting their own agenda.
>
> Like it or not, there will never again be a clear distinction
> between registrars and registries. We are all in this to make
> a profit. While I don't want people involved on this list, or
> in the RC, that have intimate, confidential knowledge of our
> businesses, I also don't want to preclude a legitimate party
> from being able to participate.
>
> I see no member of the RC or this list who I would object to
> participating.
>
> Tim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> Behalf Of Rick Wesson
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:09 AM
> To: Ross Wm. Rader
> Cc: registrars@dnso.org
> Subject: Re: [registrars] PersonalNames.com
>
>
>
>
> Ross,
>
> I support this position. I believe that it is completely
> within our capabilities to clearly separate registrars from
> those that work for registries and to have this constituency
> membership only reflect registrars intrests.
>
> best,
>
> -rick
>
>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Ross Wm. Rader wrote:
>
> > I would like to formally move that any representative of any ICANN
> > recognized gTLD registry in the possession of or with access to
> > registry Proprietary Information
> >
> (http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/name/registry-agmt-apph-
> 06mar01.htm#A-
> > 3.1 in the case of GNR) or Registry Sensitive Information
> >
> (http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/name/registry-agmt-apph-
> 06mar01.htm#A-
> > 3.2 also in the case of GNR) not be permitted to
> participate in this
> > constituency at any level, in any capacity, for a period of
> one year
> > since the last receipt of such information and that our by-laws be
> > amended to reflect this.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ross Wm. Rader
> > Tucows Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael D. Palage" <michael@palage.com>
> > To: <registrars@dnso.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:26 AM
> > Subject: [registrars] PersonalNames.com
> >
> >
> > > As PersonalNames is now an ICANN accredited registrar they are
> > > eligible
> to
> > > subscribe to the registrar mailing list, and they have asked to be
> added.
> > To
> > > date PersonalNames has not paid any membership dues so it is not
> eligible
> > to
> > > vote in any constituency matters.
> > >
> > > Yesterday there were several posts asking the Registrar Executive
> > Committee
> > > to schedule a call with PersonalNames. Although the Executive
> > > Committee stands ready to assist the constituency in this
> matter, I
> > > believe that
> > some
> > > dialogue between PersonalNames and the rest of the registrar
> > > community
> > might
> > > make any such call more productive.
> > >
> > > The only PersonalNames representative that has asked to join the
> registrar
> > > mailing list to date is Hakon Haugnes.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Michael D. Palage
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>



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