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 Re: [registrars] ICANN DNSO Budget & Its impact on the Registrar Constituancy
 Fellow registrars...   Based on conversations with staff & various 
board members, I would not expect support from the board for this 
proposal (even though it passed thru the council) .. The board, led by members 
of the other SO's still appears to be non-supportive on this issue.   In previous discussions regarding budget issues 
there has always been a strong concern over excessively burdening the 
registrars constituency with ICANN financial burdens like this.Significant concerns have also been expressed in other 
meetings in  the past by registrars to our representatives on the ICANN 
budget committee and they have done an admirable job in their attempts to 
minimize this burden.    If you wish to present your proposal for a 
bottom-up/ self funding model to the constituency Ross, then please do 
so. Based on 35 years of business experience 
and my past experiences in ICANN, I feel very strongly that a model like 
your discussing would  eventually result in imposing significant 
additional financial burdens on the Registrars  in the form of larger 
assessments and I, personally am not at all comfortable with 
it.   This burden could, hypothetically, become 
intolerable if we Registrars ended up 
absorbing a "huge share" of the projected "at-large" outreach costs which could 
end up costing in the $1-2 million dollar range.   Maybe Tucows would be in a position to absorb these 
additional costs but I don't believe you will find much sympathy for this model 
(given the current "tough times" we are currently going thru) among 
many of the other registrars.  (especially the smaller 
ones).    Ken Stubbs p.s.
I would also like to point 
out that strong support for the issue was evidenced by the Business Constituency as well as the 
ISP's.. Are you willing for 
we registrars to absorb their burden as well Ross ?   Frankly, I'm not !   
  ----- Original Message -----  Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 4:56 
  PM Subject: Re: [registrars] ICANN DNSO 
  Budget & Its impact on the Registrar Constituancy Ken/All,
 
 It should also be noted that the motion carried 
  - which means that the
 request has been endorsed as a 2/3 consensus vote by 
  the NC and passed on to
 ICANN - which has the effect of not requiring 
  minority views to be passed on
 with the proposition. It does allow us to 
  table our dissenting views for
 inclusion in the record however...Ken, what 
  are the chances that the ASO and
 PSO are going to buy into/oppose this 
  proposition? A bottom-up/self-funding
 model seems to be intuitively more 
  efficient than what was proposed today
 but this would favor commercially 
  oriented constituencies over others -
 which can be double edged. As much as 
  we are commercial interests, the
 non-coms and individuals buy product from 
  us in significant quantities.
 Their weaknesses could turn into our 
  weaknesses.
 
 I was disappointed that our vote was, in effect, nullified 
  by the voting
 pattern of our reps. The tally by my count was 14-3 in favor, 
  but with one
 of our reps voting yes, one voting no and the other one not 
  present, our
 view was somewhat muted.
 
 As BobC would say 
  :(
 
 -rwr
 
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ken Stubbs" 
  <kstubbs@digitel.net>
 To: 
  <Registrars@dnso.org>
 Sent: 
  Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:26 AM
 Subject: [registrars] ICANN DNSO 
  Budget & Its impact on the Registrar
 Constituancy
 
 
 Fellow 
  Registrars....
 
 In the Names Council meeting Today i Voted against a 
  request to have ICANN
 fund approx $170,000 of the DNSO budget for the next 
  year.
 
 As you are all well aware, a substantial amount of the ICANN 
  budget is
 funded thru assessments on the registrar constituency (approx 
  50%).  This
 means that of any increase in the ICANN budget, 50 cents 
  of each dollar is
 assessed to the Registrars.
 
 Each constituency 
  should pay its fair share of the DNSO operation and this
 proposal would 
  pass a substantial burden from the other constituencies over
 to our 
  constituency and I do not feel this is appropriate.
 
 In my opinion, 
  ICANN staff supported my position as well and I would not
 expect the 
  proposal to transfer this burden to be approved.
 
 Today's actions only 
  reinforces my concerns that there may be attempts this
 year to impose 
  additional financial burdens for ICANN operations & outreach
 (i.e. at 
  large outreach) on us and we Registrars need to be even 
  more
 pro-active.
 
 The impact on the registrars could be very 
  significant if we do not  work
 hard and organize for increased 
  participation by ALL of our members in
 lobbying & advocating within 
  ICANN to prevent this from happening.
 
 Some constituencies (i.e. 
  Business & Non-Commercial) have the  attitude that
 they support 
  ICANN thru the purchase of domain names thru us and we
 registrars should 
  use the funds that we collect from the end user to support
 ICANN and that 
  they should not be asked to fund ICANN thru their
 constituencies. I 
  disagree strongly with this view.
 
 We are not allowed to pass these 
  ICANN assessments thru to our customers as
 additional charges (as Telco's 
  are currently allowed to do) and as such are
 forced in many cases to "eat" 
  these expenses.
 
 It is for exactly the reasons I point out above that 
  ALL the members of the
 constituency need to be aware of these issues and 
  work hard to keep us from
 being additionally burdened.
 
 
 
 Ken 
  Stubbs
 
 
 
 
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