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RE: [ga] 6000+ unique At Large Members?
It is clear that they intent to use the GA list because other lists as
mentioned are out of date and closed which in this day and age means
that they are worthless.
The use of email addresses collected from other then direct subscription
for any form of announcement made by others then the list "owner" on
topics not directly related to that list are most likely spam, perhaps
some of the lawyers on this list can explain this somewhat better.
The use of email addresses without permission of the owner is as far as
I know illegal and the disclosure of the membership of those lists to
any 3de party imo a breach of privacy rules as they exist in California.
Usage of any list other the ALAC list to which people willingly
subscribed is therefore in my opinion illegal and at best immoral and my
wondering is whether if this usage takes place there is room for a
law-suit against ICANN.
Regards
Abel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Henderson
Sent: 23 April 2003 23:15
To: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law; Joanna Lane
Cc: Denise Michel; abel@able-towers.com; DannyYounger@cs.com;
ga@dnso.org
Subject: Re: [ga] 6000+ unique At Large Members?
This is just Denise scrabbling about desperately for credibility!
ALAC has been appointed top down. ICANN want to kick out the Board
Members who have actually been elected by a democratic process. Has
Denise ever been elected to represent individual users? Has Esther been
elected to represent individual users?
This is an ICANN initiative, imposed top down, and being marketed to DoC
as a user initiative. The credibility just isn't there. Indeed,
individual users are among ALAC's most vociferous critics.
So ... um ... rake out that old e-mail list!
This is just really amateurish.
Richard H
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law <froomkin@law.miami.edu>
To: Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>
Cc: Denise Michel <denisemichel@icann.org>; <abel@able-towers.com>;
<DannyYounger@cs.com>; <ga@dnso.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: [ga] 6000+ unique At Large Members?
> the elections list can't be used -- ICANN always took the position
> that privacy rules prohibited contacting those people by or for the
> GA...
>
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, Joanna Lane wrote:
>
> > ICANN really must reassure the Department of Commerce that it is not
> > bolstering its credibility by falsely claiming interest that it does
> > not
in
> > fact have. The 6000+ must be a typo, or how has Denise arrived at
> > this number?
> >
> > Conservatively, that has to be about 5,000 more people than have
actually
> > participated in the At Large debate since the end of the Elections
> > in
2000.
> > Of those registered at that time, many are now represented in the
> > GNSO constituencies, on the ALAC itself and in ICANN Staff Offices.
> > Even
serious
> > lobbying in the public fora by the most passionate of activists
> > failed
to
> > raise more than, say, let's be generous, 1,000 at any one time on
> > any
list.
> > So who are these 6,000 unique individuals exactly? Where are they
> > from?
> >
> > In total there have been 3 Announce lists for the At Large, each
> > grown
from
> > the previous, with a large number of duplications between the lists
> > as people rolled from one to the next, each shut down by ICANN in
> > turn. ID verification is an unresolved problem as people joined
> > these lists
multiple
> > times using different names and email addresses. What steps are
> > ICANN
Staff
> > taking to protect the integrity of the lists they are compiling?
> >
> > Even if the 6000+ number is correct, which is hard to believe, it is
> > a matter of record that the vast majority were attracted by the
opportunity to
> > vote in an election. ICANN's abandonment of democratic foundations,
viewed
> > as a betrayal, has now manifested itself as zero interest in this
> > new venture. In reality, prior interest is most definitely not
> > ongoing from
the
> > At Large Lists of the past, especially for an organization that is
> > not founded in democratic principles.
> >
> > Did Denise take the original At Large electorate data for 2000 and
subtract
> > the number of emails that bounced on the ALSC Announce List? If so,
> > that would confirm an impressive 90+% failure rate to foster At
> > Large participation over the last 3 years.
> >
> > For the record, the At Large Announce lists amount to these:-
> >
> > 1) Year 2000: At Large Elections List, closed more than 2 years ago.
> > 2) Year 2001: ALSC list, roughly 1,000+ rolled over from earlier
> > list, numbers declined to a handful of participants when closed more
> > than 1
year
> > ago.
> > 3) Year 2002: 100+ active participants from the 2001 list rolled
> > over to ICANNAtLarge.com, originally funded by ICANN Staff under the
> > leadership
of
> > Denise Michel. Membership grew to roughly 1000, of which only a
> > handful remain active today.
> >
> > By my calculations, that makes about 60 left, not 6,000.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Joanna
> >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf Of
> > > DannyYounger@cs.com
> > > Sent: 22 April 2003 17:13
> > > To: ga@dnso.org
> > > Subject: [ga] 6000+ names
> > >
> > >
> > > Just posted:
> > >
> > > ICANN's technical staff is working on combining past At-Large
> > > announce lists (with 6000 + names) for the ALAC's use and an
> > > announce list subscribe/un-subscribe mechanism for the ALAC's
> > > website. I expect
this
> > > to be operational very soon.
> > >
> > > Denise
> > >
> > > http://forum.icann.org/mail-archive/alac/msg00189.html
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