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RE: [ga] is there any factual information about how many SLDs for individu als or organizations exist in cc?
Mark,
Thank you for saying it so well -- ICANN did not spend much time
on ccTLD matters, its main concerns were for gTLD and Registrars.
ICANN is committed by the USG to sign agreements with ccTLD this year
-- I used to summarize it: 242 contracts in 242 days ?
My message to Marilyn is twofold:
- first, a note that ccTLD are as diverse as the world is,
and that whereas we are 244 ccTLD, not many of us could
or would participate, for many various reasons we need
to understand;
the Kazakhstan exemple of visa problem is well recorded
in council archives, see:
http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc04/msg00453.html
- second, a simple answer to a question about naming schemes
(SLDs in ccTLDs)
I am looking forward to see you in Melbourne !
Elisabeth
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> From mark.flynn@telekom.com.sb Sun Mar 4 22:39 MET 2001
> From: "Mark Flynn" <mark.flynn@telekom.com.sb>
> To: "Elisabeth Porteneuve" <Elisabeth.Porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr>
> Cc: <ga@dnso.org>,
> "Pacific Internet Users Group Mailing List" <pignet@www.spc.int>
> Subject: RE: [ga] is there any factual information about how many SLDs for individu als or organizations exist in cc?
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:41:42 +1100
> Message-ID: <NDBBLFONGLKMMNFCNDEBAEOKELAA.mark.flynn@telekom.com.sb>
>
> Elizabeth,
>
> I don't clearly see what you are trying to illustrate by providing the
> statistics below but at present I can only feedback that as a ccTLD
> administrator ICANN, and it's supporting bodies, have never made a good
> impression since I first took over this role in 1999. For a start the change
> of administrator details took over 6 months, it turned out that there was
> only 1 person responsible for handling this function, since then there has
> been no clear indications of what has changed to improve this lack of basic
> service. I hope to get a more positive view point when attending the meeting
> in Melbourne, which is only happening because that is where my wife and
> child have been based since the coup that occurred here on June 5th 2000.
> Please remember that not all ccTLD's are operated in well developed western
> countries with expertise readily available, or that those countries even
> have laws that are concerned with issues that ICANN and groups like the WIPO
> appear to be preoccupied with. Who knows perhaps the people from Kazakhstan
> are really nice once you get to know them, one thing is for certain if they
> are not allowed to participate then they aren't likely to assist with
> funding.
>
> Mark Flynn
> ccTLD Administrator .SB
> Solomon Islands, South Pacific Ocean.
>
> > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Elisabeth
> > Porteneuve
> > Sent: Monday, 5 March 2001 5:07
> > To: mcade@att.com
> > Cc: ga@dnso.org
> > Subject: Re: [ga] is there any factual information about how many SLDs
> > for individu als or organizations exist in cc?
> >
> >
> >
> > Marilyn,
> >
> > I read you with pleasure.
> >
> > The ccTLD is a very diverse group.
> >
> > Only 88 of them run whois.
> > Only 98 of them answered ICANN call for payment fiscal year 1999-2000.
> > Only 95 of them at most ever wrote an email to our mailing lists.
> > And please do not forget than American Embassy in Kazakhstan considered
> > that the folks from ccTLD Registry there are not good enough to give them
> > visa to Los Angeles last November ...
> >
> > There is as many naming schemes as ccTLD Registries ... you
> > have individuals and organizations mixed up with everything else
> > -- in dot com like -- when Registries decided to run it this way.
> >
> > The naming policies are evolving over time, the ccTLD adjusting
> > to their local Internet community needs, or business needs.
> > I made a survey of 11 European Registries in 1999, at that time
> > two or three of them had an SLD for individuals. Some of them had
> > a rich naming schemes, far beyond classical .com/.org/.edu.
> >
> > At the origin of Internet (circa mid 1980's), all ccTLD had a flat
> > scheme. Then some build up a naming schemes according to local needs.
> > Later we may observe two tendencies, one from restricted
> > policies to more open, one from open to more restricted.
> > There are many advantages and disadvantages in each scheme, and
> > the vox populi changing over time.
> >
> > Let me take French exemple. We started with flat scheme, it lasted
> > several years, then we needed to cope with problems, and find out
> > a way to accomodate everybody, and set out priorities. Our scheme
> > is user driven.
> > Under .fr we have a naming scheme with labels, provinding a guarantee
> > to end users or consumers. For exemple only Medical Doctors authorised
> > to work in France may register under medecin.fr.
> > Similar for some other professions. Also for products for which quality
> > is of importance. The non for profit associations have an SLD .asso.fr
> > (the conditions to set up an not for profit in France are very simple,
> > no lawyer necessary, and it costs approx 40 USD -- there is more than
> > one million of them).
> > The individuals are under .nom.fr, it allows us for an easy whois scheme
> > respecting privacy of individuals in France.
> >
> > And yes, we also have an open SLD, .com.fr, where you may take any
> > name (under some minimal conditions, French residency or incorporation
> > are mandatory).
> >
> > See you in Melbourne,
> >
> > Elisabeth
> >
> > > From owner-ga@dnso.org Sun Mar 4 16:20 MET 2001
> > > Message-ID:
> > <21917FA62B667E4FBE52007E20BF17416FD41C@lganj0se2.lga.att.com>
> > > From: "Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" <mcade@att.com>
> > > To: "'Marc Schneiders'" <marc@venster.nl>,
> > > Joop Teernstra
> > > <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>
> > > Cc: ga@dnso.org
> > > Subject: [ga] is there any factual information about how many
> > SLDs for individu
> > > als or organizations exist in cc?
> > > Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 10:11:33 -0500
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > >
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how many ccTLDs have an individual and an .org SLD? Is
> > > there any useful understanding that could be taken from a short
> > survey of
> > > same?
> > >
> > > I would expect a lot of growth in the ccTLDs over the next few
> > years, and
> > > many people are likely to prefer to be in a country code... (in
> > the country
> > > they live in, for instance.)
> > >
> > > I KNOW, I KNOW. "not all". You guys/gals don't need to send
> > me 25 separate
> > > messages explaining that I am wrong and that many will want a generic...
> > > (I've got that picture, too.) Save the e-postage. (that was a little
> > > sarcasm.)
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Marilyn
> > >
> >
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