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Re: [ga] Message from the Chair - More on Censorship
Randy and all,
In short I gather that your position on Censorship is the same as ours.
CENSORSHIP IN ANY OF ITS FORMS IS WRONG!
Randy Canis wrote:
> >The rules appear to be QUITE fair and are definitely valid. This is not >about censorship, its about setting valid rules for participation, like any >other body would have.
>
> APPEAR would be an appropriate word. I believe they are invalid, and that this is about censorship. I do not believe this "ramming" is how any other body would do it. Hence, my continued objection. REGARDLESS - we disagress on this point.
>
> >> most likely against Jeff Williams and Joe Baptista.
>
> >Is it your contention that they can't participate under the rules? I think only
> >they can decide that. I would not presume to say one way or the other, >that is entirely their call. Either they follow the rules, and not be disruptive, >or they are treated like ANYONE else who doesn't follow the rules.
>
> It is my contention that some people intend to censor them. And maybe me too. And maybe Elen. The point is--censorship is not right. Bias rules are wrong, fair rules are fine.
>
> >> This is wrong. Both have spent countless hours participating in this list.
> >"Participating" ??? Interesting choice of words for their activities to date.
>
> YES. That is how I characterize it.
>
> >> People like Elen, Karl, and myself are not going to stand for unjustified >>and unfair censorship.
> >Sorry, but that is your personal choice. If you feel that way, fine. Bye.
>
> Does it feel that good to oppress people? I mean, really, you must watch horror movies and root for the bad guys...
>
> >I am much more sympathetic to the MANY unnumbered and silent ones >who have left or do not participate because of the madness the near >anarchistic status of this list has subjected them and all of us to. If it means >losing a few people who can't see the trees for the forest, then they >probably already have many other reasons for not wanting to participate, >and are just using this as a rallying point. I won't buy into it. If you, and >anyone else, chooses to leave, the GA will lose a little, but I think we will >gain a lot more than we will lose. Vastly so. You have to draw the line >somewhere. Kudos to Roberto and Harald for drawing that line.
>
> I don't think its proper to characterize people that don't exist on this list. You know William, if you scare off everyone that you can just send yourself messages all day...
>
> >> So, I too will join Karl in removing myself from this discussion if we can't
> >> get a meaningful discussion going on a sole unmoderated list.
> >That is entirely your voluntary action, and if you feel you must do that, then
> >do it.
>
> It's not my choice. I'd like to stay. You're being oppressive. I won't stand for it.
>
> Randy Canis
> Attorney & Webmaster - ZakkWylde.com & BrianTichy.com
> !
>
Regards,
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