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Jeff and everyone else still remaining,

  Yes, I too would be interested in your explanation or whatever,
Andy.  Please do share then with us!  :)

David "Dude" Jenson

In a message dated 2/17/00 10:23:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com writes:

<< Andy and all,
 
  Your view of the IDNO seems to be a complete 180% different than
 that of the DNSO.  I find that rather amusing and yet devoid of reason
 and validity.  Can you explain that?  I am sure you can.  Whether your
 explanation would be accurate and honest is another matter entirely.
 
   I eagerly await to read your explanation/excuses...
 
 Andy Gardner wrote:
 
 > >That's all very unfortunate - the IDNO could be an excellent
 > >organization.  Do you think that with Dinesh things will change?
 >
 > I'd like to think so, but I doubt it.
 >
 > Things only get done if they suit Joop's vision of the IDNO.
 >
 > Take the latest election, for example. Joop decided the method (votes for
 > multiple people, no weighting). Joop later decided to add two more voting
 > topics, without consulting with _anyone_.
 >
 > Joop _is_ the IDNO.
 >
 > Anyone that dissents with Joop's view, or even could possibly become (in
 > Joops opinion) a dissenter, is gagged, thrown off committees, or if there
 > is an emergency, an entire committee is disbanded.
 >
 > Joop's personal view of events is placed on the IDNO website and contrued
 > to be "the way things happened", via selective editing of what appears.
 >
 > It's a shame, but as it stands now, the IDNO is a dead duck.
 >
 > If the IDNO is going to make progress, Joop is going to have to step away
 > completely and let the organisation mould itself. Unfortunately, history to
 > date shows that Joop isn't prepared to do that. And likewise, there are a
 > load of former and potential members that won't touch the IDNO with a
 > bargepole while Joop retains ultimate power.
 >
 > Andrew P. Gardner
 >
 > Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
 >
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 Regards,
 
 --
 Jeffrey A. Williams
 Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
 CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
 Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
 E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
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  >>



Andy and all,

 Your view of the IDNO seems to be a complete 180% different than
that of the DNSO.  I find that rather amusing and yet devoid of reason
and validity.  Can you explain that?  I am sure you can.  Whether your
explanation would be accurate and honest is another matter entirely.

  I eagerly await to read your explanation/excuses...

Andy Gardner wrote:

> >That's all very unfortunate - the IDNO could be an excellent
> >organization.  Do you think that with Dinesh things will change?
>
> I'd like to think so, but I doubt it.
>
> Things only get done if they suit Joop's vision of the IDNO.
>
> Take the latest election, for example. Joop decided the method (votes for
> multiple people, no weighting). Joop later decided to add two more voting
> topics, without consulting with _anyone_.
>
> Joop _is_ the IDNO.
>
> Anyone that dissents with Joop's view, or even could possibly become (in
> Joops opinion) a dissenter, is gagged, thrown off committees, or if there
> is an emergency, an entire committee is disbanded.
>
> Joop's personal view of events is placed on the IDNO website and contrued
> to be "the way things happened", via selective editing of what appears.
>
> It's a shame, but as it stands now, the IDNO is a dead duck.
>
> If the IDNO is going to make progress, Joop is going to have to step away
> completely and let the organisation mould itself. Unfortunately, history to
> date shows that Joop isn't prepared to do that. And likewise, there are a
> load of former and potential members that won't touch the IDNO with a
> bargepole while Joop retains ultimate power.
>
> Andrew P. Gardner
>
> Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
>
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> This message was passed to you via the ga@dnso.org list.
> Send mail to majordomo@dnso.org to unsubscribe
> ("unsubscribe ga" in the body of the message).
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Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
Contact Number:  972-447-1894
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208