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[council] NC teleconf minutes July 24, 2002, revised July 29, 2002.


        DNSO Names Council Teleconference on 24 July 2002 - minutes

25 July 2002.

Proposed agenda and related documents

List of attendees:

Elisabeth Porteneuve   ccTLD
Oscar Robles Garay     ccTLD absent, apologies,proxy to Elisabeth Porteneuve
Philip Sheppard        Business
Marilyn Cade           Business
Grant Forsyth          Business
Greg Ruth              ISPCP  absent
Antonio Harris         ISPCP
Tony Holmes            ISPCP absent, apologies, proxy to Tony Harris
Philipp Grabensee      Registrars
Ken Stubbs             Registrars
Bruce Tonkin           Registrars
Roger Cochetti         gTLD
Jordyn Buchanan        gTLD
Cary Karp              gTLD
Ellen Shankman         IP
Laurence Djolakian     IP
J. Scott Evans         IP absent, apologies, proxy Ellen Shankman, Laurence
Harold Feld            NCDNH
Chun Eung Hwi          NCDNH
Erick Iriate           NCDNH

16 Names Council Members

Louis Touton           ICANN Staff

Glen de Saint Géry     NC Secretary
Philippe Renaut          MP3 Recording Engineer/Secretariat

MP3 recording of the meeting by the Secretariat:

Quorum present at 15:10 (all times reported are CET which is UTC + 2 during
summer time in the northern hemisphere).

Philip Sheppard chaired this NC teleconference.

Approval of the Agenda
The agenda was approved with a proposal by Ken Stubbs to discuss the NC
chair elections.

Decision 2: Secretariat will post an election schedule for the next NC
teleconference on August 1, 2002.

Item 1. Summary of last meeting:


Ken Stubbs moved the adoption of the minutes seconded by Ellen Shankman,
The motion was carried.

Decision 2: Motion adopted.

Item 3: Wait Listing Service - report and vote to adopt
IPC statement:
gTLD statement:
Supporting material and substantive submissions on WLS
Marilyn Cade invited Louis Touton be on the call and welcomed him.
She reported that the report content had not changed but the format
corresponded to the NC procedures.
The additional statements and supporting material would be incorporated into
the report to be sent to the Board.
She walked through a summary of the final report and the recommendations
that people actually voted on.

Discussion: Harold Feld asked if the summary of general comments appear in
the report. It was confirmed that they were in III 3.

Philip Sheppard proposed voting on the report as a whole.

Further discussions after the recommmendation summary questioned the
procedural process and Roger Cochetti said that the Task Force should not
bind or restrict the Names Council. He went on to suggest that the elements
should be voted on rather than the whole.
Bruce Tonkin askedwhich of the several WLS versions were referred to in the
report. Marilyn Cade suggested that Chuck Gomes would be asked to approve
the version.
To a question from Ellen Shankman as to what would happen if the Board would
go ahead after a no vote from the Task Force, Louis Touton explained he
believed that putting forward the views of the various parts of the
community was more important than attempting to characterize those views in
terms of whether they constituted consensus.
Voting in the Task Force itself was discussed and it was felt that
questioning the Task Force composition at this stage was inappropiate.
However the eligibility of constituencies to vote or participate in the case
where they were not directly affected was questioned and Louis Touton said
that the exclusion of constituency representatives from voting in the NC
would present concerns under the by-laws. Constituency votes can be taken
conditionally and reported to the Board.

Ken Stubbs expressed concern about the section on cost, particularly the
specific participation of the ccTLDs in this vote and proposed a friendly
amendment to remove that recommendation. Grant Forsyth said that price is a
key issue and is properly considered and reported.
Louis Touton Louis Touton said that a principle for establishing price caps
was being put forward in the current version of report which gained support,
but that no position on the specific price was being stated.

He went on to say that in terms of utility to the Board it would be useful
to know if the Names Council feels the report does not appropiately and
accurately reflect the views of the constituencies as this would be an
important consideration from the Board.

Philip Sheppard moved for a vote of adoption for the report as a whole.

15 voted in favour, 3 voted against (gTLD constituency) 1 abstention and
Greg Ruth was absent, no proxy given.

The motion carried.
Decision 3: Report adopted

Roger Cochetti stated after the vote that it should be noted that the gTLD
constituency feels that the Task Force and Names Council have gone way
beyond their proper role in policy matters.

Item 5: Status of 2002 fees

The ISPCP constituency reporteded that they were in the process of
collecting members' fees, and, due to the holidays, expected to be able to
provide a payment date by the end of August.
The non-commercials had received the appropiate invoices and were
distributing them.
The gTLD constituency said that they had the intent to pay but could not
give a date.

Item 4: ICANN Reform and proposed Resolution.
This was deferred to the next meeting

The teleconference ended at 16:30

Next NC teleconference will be on Thursday August 1 at 15:00 Paris time,
13:00 UTC/GMT

     See all past agendas and minutes at
     and calendar of the NC meetings at

                 Information from:  © DNSO Names Council

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