Re: [Bounced] Re: [wg-review] constituency composition

[Kent Crispin <kent@songbird.com>]

> From: Jefsey Morfin <jefsey@wanadoo.fr>
>
> Sorry, Kent,
> I do not understand your rationale,
> On 18:03 27/12/00, Kent Crispin said:
> >A concrete illustration: the NCC has 160 members; assume for the moment
> >that Joops organization has 160 members, and becomes the IDNOC.  One of
> >the NCC members is the ACM, an organization with 80,000 members, last I
> >looked.  This means that a single individual voting in the IDNO has the
> >same power as the ACM voting in the NCC.
> 
> 1. In the DNSO/BC I have one vote as a one employee business. Disney three.
>      AT&T three. I am therefore worth a lot of AT&T employees.

Actually, I think that associations get three votes, large companies get
2.  In actual political practice, 1) it turns out that three votes are
quite substantial; and 2) the homogenization of interest implicit in a
constituency is a very significant factor -- small businesses and large
businesses do share common concerns.  In the case of large and small
businesses, for example, they share a common interest:  none of them 
would turn over control of their business to some arbitrary group of 
people.

> 2. you say Jopp's proposed IDNO would represent million of people. It means
>      that an IDNOC member woud reprensent 100.000 individual domain name
>      holders. Seems fair when comparing with the one NCC member with 
>      80.000. 

Odd use of the term "represent" -- I guess that you would have to agree
that I represent you, then.  In the case of a bona fide organization,
the membership directly or indirectly controls the selection of their 
representative, and the representatives are accountable to the 
membership. 

> 3. you support a second Constituency by the ISOC.

I didn't say that.  I said that ISOCs special nature raises interesting 
possibilities. 

> We are probably 5000 ISOC Members.  It would mean that 1 IDNO
> represent 1/22.000.000 of a constituency, 1 NCC remote individual
> 1/12.800.000 of a constituency, and one ISOC Member 1/5000 of a
> constituency

Yes, and as ISOC members, if we don't like what our representatives are 
doing, we have a process by which they can be removed.  The 100000 
individuals supposedly "represented" by a single idno member have no 
such process; the members of idno are not accountable to the larger 
potential membership, and have no claim as "representatives".

This is not the case in other constituencies, where there is an actual
delegation of authority, however informal, from organizations with a
much larger membership. 

-- 
Kent Crispin                               "Be good, and you will be
kent@songbird.com                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain