RE: [registrars] Some observations

["Siegfried Langenbach" <svl@nrw.net>]

Hallo Tim,

while I agree on your 1st statement (in my understanding that is 
common procedure), I must add that according my experience law 
agencies in US do not follow that rules.

siegfried

On 12 Jun 2003 at 5:11, Tim Ruiz wrote:

> My two cents - In the context of what's being suggested, I would say no. The Thai law 
> enforcement agency should work through a law enforcement agency in the country in which the 
> registrar is based. If the registrar has an office in Thailand, then I would imagine local laws would 
> prevail.
> 
> But I think this is all a moot issue. Bulk Whois is mostly worthless. Why would anyone want it 
> unless they thought they were getting some kind of comprehensive database for research 
> purposes? And of course we know that's not what they'll get. They'll get maybe half of the data 
> they want at best, and a lot of that will be outdated, proxied, etc.
> 
> If they have a specific investigation going on there are more appropriate ways to get the data they 
> need.
> 
> Law enforcement approaching a registrar with a court order for specific data is one thing, 
> approaching us for our bulk whois so they have a convenient way to perform any number of 
> unspecified investigations and research is another. We should not be expected to hand that over 
> on a weekly basis for an annual fee of $10,000. It should be based on the number records 
> provided. And if we are expected to hand it over to a revenue generating business, that fee should 
> be even higher.
> 
> But again, I question the real value of bulk whois to any of these parties, unlessall they want is a 
> convenient 50% solution that gives them some warm fuzzies.
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     
>     -------- Original Message --------
>     Subject: Re: [registrars] Some observations
>     From: "Thomas Keller" <tom@schlund.de>
>     Date: Thu, June 12, 2003 1:50 am
>     To: "Paul Stahura" <stahura@enom.com>
>     Cc: Registrars@dnso.org
>     
>     Am 11.06.2003 schrieb Paul Stahura:
>     > 3) To get bulk-whois information you must be law-enforcement. Maintain the
>     > $10K limit.
>     
>     here is a question for you Paul, what would you do if a Thai 
>     law enforcement organisation would approach you to get Enom's
>     bulk whois. Would you grant them access to it?
>     
>     Best,
>     
>     tom
>     
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