RE: [registrars] whois lookup

["tchaffin " <tchaffin@stargateinc.com>]

Bhavin,

"as noticed most registrars have a form that they expect the owner to fill at the time of transferring the domain name, and it is this data from this form that is used for the registrant info etc. in this case i do not see any issue as to why one would need the registrant information from the losing registrar"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your comment above can only be accomplished if a bi-lateral (sp?) agreement is in place.  Otherwise, registrant (ownership) information cannot be changed during a transfer.

Tom  

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Bhavin Turakhia" <bhavin.t@directi.com>
Date:  Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:52:58 +0530

>I am all confused here. Seemingly every Registrar seems to be discussing how
>this prevents getting the registrants real email address. I do not
>understand where it matters. To me the process is as follows
>
>1. registrant goes to registrar A, to transfer his domain to Registrar A
>
>2. Registrar A queries losing Registrar B's whois database and gets an email
>address "125436.some.email@whoismailforwarder.com"
>
>3. Registrar A sends an email to this mail address with the knowledge that
>this mail would be forwarded to the actual owner. This mail has a key and a
>url for the owner to visit and express his intent to transfer
>
>4. On clicking this link the domain gets transferred
>
>as noticed most registrars have a form that they expect the owner to fill at
>the time of transferring the domain name, and it is this data from this form
>that is used for the registrant info etc. in this case i do not see any
>issue as to why one would need the registrant information from the losing
>registrar
>
>secondly the ICANN agreement mandates all Registrars to maintain complete
>records of ALL domain names for 3 years - "During the Term of this Agreement
>and for three years thereafter,
>Registrar (itself or by its agent(s)) shall maintain the following records
>relating to its dealings with the Registry Operator(s) and Registered Name
>Holders: 3.4.2.1 In electronic form, the submission date and time, and the
>content, of all registration data (including updates)submitted in electronic
>form to the Registry Operator(s);"
>
>therefore as such any registrar is mandated to have this data with them at
>any point in time.
>
>bhavin
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
>> Behalf Of Patrick
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:08 PM
>> To: registrars@dnso.org
>> Subject: Re: [registrars] whois lookup
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 02:33:53PM -0500, Tom Chaffin took time to write:
>> > Your making the assumption that I can still contact the client
>> via e-mail.
>> > If the email address is no longer valid how am I to contact the
>> registrant?
>>
>> How does the registrant start the transfer with you ? Obviously he
>> contacts you, through your website and/or by email. At that time you
>> have opportunity to ask him about its details.
>>
>> Patrick.
>> Gandi.
>>
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