Re: [ga] Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:35:15 -0600

["Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>]

Hello David

I am a member of IcannAtLarge - a worldwide internet user organisation,
which tries to speak for ordinary registrants and internet users, and to
keep a close eye on ICANN and its administration of the DNS.

I have followed the pattern, by which .com domain names are released after
they expire.

You are not quite correct in your information / assumptions.

An expiring domain name is usually 'Pending Delete' for 6 days from the date
it is first given this status.

During the time that this status (Pending Delete) applies, it is correct to
say that no-one can register the name, for the simple reason that it is not
yet deleted.

However, many registrants apply to 'snap' domains the moment they are
deleted, by paying companies like Snapnames to run scripts which apply for
the name the minute it is deleted. This, of course, is much faster than any
human can hope to acquire it manually, so the scripts nearly always win.

However, the Registry status of a particular name is not immediately updated
on the WHOIS - there is a time delay. Therefore, there is an overlap period
during which the WHOIS will state that a name's status is 'Pending Delete'
when it has actually already been deleted and maybe 'snapped' by a keen
customer.

In my experience, this overlap can quite frequently be several hours or even
a day or so.

So I do not personally suspect that collusion is the most obvious
explanation in the case you cite... although, of course, the question of who
obtained the name is a separate question. It is worth noting, though, that
companies like Snapnames and Dotster use various registrars. Perhaps you
should ask the registrar in question whether this name was in fact snapped
through their company by a company like Snapnames or some other?

I understand the frustration you feel. Most domains do remain available for
some time after deletion, and so you will observe the change of status from
'Pending Delete' to 'Available' in the WHOIS. However, for popular names (or
just a name another person wants badly enough) there is probably no
substitute for the recourse to a company like Snapnames. You cannot usually
hope to manually beat a machine. Simple as that.

Therefore, with the present system, if you want a name badly enough, you
need to pay to snap it.

Hope this helps,

Richard Henderson

----- Original Message -----
From: David Cook <david@cecilia.com>
To: <resolutions@networksolutions.com>
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 8:59 PM
Subject: [ga] Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 13:35:15 -0600


> RE: Ticket # 1-138399856 (polomania.com)
>
> To Verisign Resolutions;
> Yesterday, Sunday July 6th 2003 I contacted Verisign at 888-642-9675
because
> a domain I previously owned and lost to a domain squatter in 2001 should
> have become available per the 5 day ICANN rule (The domain was Pending
> Delete on June 30th, 2003).
>
> I was told that if the domain was still listed as PENDINGDELETE in the
> registry at www.nsiregistry.com then it was not available for
registration.
> I was also told to that there was nothing else that Verisign could do and
to
> contact my registrar of choice to resolve the issue.
>
> I contacted my registrar www.buydomains.com and they reiterated that if
> www.nsiregistry.com listed the domain as PENDINGDELETE that the domain was
> not available for registration.
>
> Today the www.nsiregistry.com shows that the parent company of my
registrar
> www.domaindiscover.com registered the domain yesterday.
>
> I contacted www.domaindiscover.com this morning and they advised me that
> they had no idea how they got the domain. They said they have no customer
of
> record and they would research and call me back. I have since contacted
them
> two more times and they continue to claim that they don't know how they
> registered the domain without a customer requesting it.
>
> It appears to me that www.domaindiscover.com worked in collusion with
> www.buydomains.com and most probably Verisign to circumvent the ICANN
> registration process to obtain the domain polomania.com and deny me my
right
> to register it.
>
>
> 1. How did www.domaindiscover.com register the domain yesterday if as I
was
> told it could not be registered while it was PENDINGDELETE?
>
> 2. How did www.domaindicover.com register the domain without having a
> customer of record request it?
>
> 3. How do I resolve this matter without having to file suit collectively
> against Verisign, buydomains, and domaindiscover?
>
> David Cook
> dcook@cecilia.com
> 1-800-CECILIA
>
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