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Re: [ga] BULK whois
Mr. Neuman,
1) Clearly Mr. Williams represents many in our community and if you took the
time to notice you would even read dissenting voices on this list. I have met
several in foreign lands that acknowledge his pre-eminence in this field.
Personal attacks are silly and unwarranted. The lack of a whois for his group
only shows a proprietary correctness for their right of privacy.
2} What you have to say here is bullshit. Common sense, Common Law, Civil Law
will tell you that a contract may not violate law. Opt-out and getting off a
spaming list is by law allowed.
DoC will back you up or find themselves fired.
There are two dotBiZ's and you should find a way to get along to fight any of
this nonsense you encounter.
Good luck,
Eric Hugh Dierker
"Neuman, Jeff" wrote:
> Jeff,
>
> Thanks for your comments. But let me turn the table on you at this point.
> Can you answer the following questions?
>
> 1) Who exactly are your members? If you can please spell those specific
> members out on this list, I would be most grateful. In the 8 years I have
> been involved in this industry (which I admit is not as long as others, but
> still not insignificant), I have NEVER heard of anyone who admitted to be
> affiliated with you or your organization.
>
> 2) Please tell me how I personally can set an opt-out policy for .BIZ
> NeuLevel is contractually governed by the ICANN Registry Agreement with
> ICANN? If I were to somehow dictate this new policy, please tell me how I
> would avoid a breach of contract action from ICANN? Also, tell me how I
> would not be in breach of my contracts with the Registrars?
>
> 3) What financial burden are you referring to?
>
> Thanks for your time and I await your response.
>
> P.S. Feel free to call me if you have any questions.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:54 PM
> To: steinle@smartvia.de
> Cc: Michael D. Palage; ga@dnso.org; jeff.neuman@neulevel.biz
> Subject: Re: [ga] BULK whois
>
> Steinle and all former DNSO GA members or other interested parties,
>
> I know our members that are Nuelevel customers have frequently
> complained about this problem with Nuelevel and other customer
> service related communications as well.
>
> Opt-Out should be allowed and acted upon by any honest
> Registry/registrar. Why Mr. Nueman has not directed his
> people from a policy standpoint in this direction remains
> a mystery and a travesty...
>
> Perhaps it is time for another legal challenge to Nuelevel
> in this area, in order to get their attention, as well as perhaps
> relieve Mr. Nueman of some of his financial burden.
>
> steinle@smartvia.de wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your reply.
> >
> > However I know that there is a "ordinary whois access" and a bulk
> > whois access.
> > All people involved always wrote about bulk whois.
> >
> > Neulevel Support:
> > "ICANN requires that we provide full WHOIS information for each domain
> > name we register.
> > You may, however, have your domain name removed from the list of bulk
> > registration records that we maintain.
> > Please contact your Registrar directly if you would like your domain
> > name to be removed from that list."
> >
> > I forwarded this message to my Registrar (to have my domains removed
> > from the list of bulk registration record).
> >
> > My registrar contacted Neulevel via Phone and wrote following
> > sentences: "We contacted Newlevel via phone and they told us,
> > that this change cannot be done. The previous mail was an failure of
> > the NEWLEVEL Supporter."
> >
> > According to NeuLevel (via my Registrar) there is no way to opt-out!
> >
> > Simon
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael D. Palage
> > To: steinle@smartvia.de ; ga@dnso.org
> > Cc: jeff.neuman@NeuLevel.biz
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:59 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ga] BULK whois
> >
> >
> > You are mixing apples with oranges.
> >
> > Bulk Access DOES NOT EQUAL public access to individual Whois queries
> > via port 43 or a web based interface.
> >
> > Both the registrar and registry (in the case of thick registry
> > operators) are required by ICANN contract to provide whois information
> > in response to an individual whois query either via port 43 or a web
> > based tool. There is no opt provision for access to this data.
> >
> > However, the registrar in his ICANN accreditation agreement is
> > required to provide "bulk access" to their Whois data (minus those
> > registrants that opt out) to any party that request it. In return the
> > registrar is able to charge up to $10,000 annually.
> >
> > The only way I know of to remove your information from both public
> > access Whois and Bulk Whois is through Go Daddy's Domain Proxy
> > service.
> >
> > I hope this helps navigates these complex issues,
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: steinle@smartvia.de [mailto:steinle@smartvia.de]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:58 AM
> > To: Michael D. Palage; ga@dnso.org
> > Cc: jeff.neuman@NeuLevel.biz
> > Subject: Re: [ga] BULK whois
> >
> >
> > This is what I get from my Registrar and from NeuLevel:
> >
> >
> > Dear Mr. Steinle,
> >
> > Unfortunatelly we were not able to assert your interests regarding
> > in this matter.
> > We contacted Newlevel via phone and they told us, that this change
> > cannot be done.
> >
> > The previous mail was an failure of the NEWLEVEL Supporter.
> >
> > We apologize for the trouble this may caused.
> >
> > We really did our best.
> >
> > Thank you for understanding in this matter.
> >
> > Should you have any further questions or require any assistance at
> > all,
> > please do not hesitate to contact us.
> >
> > With kindest regards,
> >
> > Your Team @ ...
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Support" <support@neulevel.biz>
> > > > > > > > To: <steinle@smartvia.de>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:47 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: {Registry#213-999} remove bulk access
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dear Simon-
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ICANN requires that we provide full WHOIS information
> > for each
> > > domain
> > > > > > name
> > > > > > > > we register. You may, however, have your domain name
> > removed
> > from
> > > the
> > > > > > list
> > > > > > > > of bulk registration records that we maintain. Please
> > contact
> > your
> > > > > > > Registrar
> > > > > > > > directly if you would like your domain name to be
> > removed from
> > > that
> > > > > > list.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kind Regards
> > > > > > > > Neulevel Support
> > > > > > > > ___________________________________________
> > > > > > > > NeuLevel - The home of .biz
> > > > > > > > Email: support@neulevel.biz
> > > > > > > > Web Site: http://www.neulevel.biz
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael D. Palage
> > To: steinle@smartvia.de ; ga@dnso.org
> > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:12 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ga] BULK whois
> >
> >
> > Speaking only on the topic of .info and .biz, it is my
> > understanding of the contracts that the registries do not have a bulk
> > access per se because it is the registrars that own the data.
> > Therefore, if one was to purchase Network Solution's bulk whois data
> > they would be entitled to all ICANN sanctioned domain names that it
> > sponsors (.com, .org, .net .info, .biz ,etc), provided that the
> > registrant did not opt out as provided for in the ICANN Registrar
> > Accreditation Agreement.
> >
> > Mike
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
> > steinle@smartvia.de
> > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:04 PM
> > To: ga@dnso.org
> > Subject: [ga] BULK whois
> >
> >
> > Is there a BULK whois file for .info, .biz and .us like there
> > is one for cno domains?
> > And how could one opt-out of this?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Simon
> >
> >
>
> Regards,
> --
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