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Re: [ga] No Members?


Now that we've heard from the cheerleaders will someone from the team 
please answer the question... I'd like to know where the money went as well.

~k
At 01:09 PM 4/4/2001 -0500, Bruce James wrote:
>Thank you, Dave. I have started a 501(c)(3) non-profit and now sit on three
>501(c)(3) Boards. I think I might have a little more experience in IRS
>regs., but not in Calf., law.
>
>It does not sit right that ICANN has a grant for a Membership Program
>Manager and computer software for members and has no members.
>
>I am a member of the AtLarge group and did cast a vote at the last Board
>Election. I think about 70,000 other AtLarge members cast their votes also.
>
>/Bruce
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>~IANAL~ I Am Not A Lawyer. Seek legal advice.
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dave Crocker" <dhc2@dcrocker.net>
>To: "Bruce James" <bmjames@swbell.net>
>Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 12:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [ga] No Members?
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>People use the term "member" informally all the time; it's
>convenient.  That does not mean that their use in any way relates to the
>legalities associated with formal use of the term.
>
>People often refer to IETF "members" but, in fact, there is no such
>thing.  There are participants, but nothing that constitutes membership.
>
>Instead of looking around for non-legal examples that use the term, why not
>pay attention to the very simple and direct explanations that have been
>provided.  They are not very complicated.
>
>California non-profits MAY have members, but they do not have to.  It is,
>in fact, more common that they do NOT have members because of management
>complexity when formal membership exists.  (I have run a 503(c)(3) and a
>503(c)(6).)  I am not a lawyer, but this issue is extremely well
>understood, concerning non-profit formation.
>
>d/
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>ps.  What is the productive goal in pursuing this matter in such
>detail?  Are there no other issues for the GA to consider?
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>At 09:54 AM 4/4/2001, Bruce James wrote:
> >OK, I am dumb.... Why did the Markle Foundation say in its Grant:
> >
> >1) Membership Program Manager - 6 months including benefits    $30,000
> >
> >If we don't have any *Members*?? Did ICANN return the money?
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>----------
>Dave Crocker   <mailto:dcrocker@brandenburg.com>
>Brandenburg InternetWorking   <http://www.brandenburg.com>
>tel: +1.408.246.8253;   fax: +1.408.273.6464
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