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Re: Compromise (Re: [ga] Another Resignation)
Jeff and all DNSO'ers,
Yes Jeff, it does seem that Harald "Somehow" did miss a few things.
I am glad you outlined them here.
Jeff Williams wrote:
> Harald and all,
> You left our a few issues as well as quite a few peoples voices
> as well. Here are some of the issues you rather interestingly left out:
> 1.) Whether Roberto or Harald are legitimate or legitimately elected
> as "Chair" and "Co-Chair".
> 2.) Wheather or not the election was Legitimate.
> 3.) Whether or not the DNSO General assembly should be the
> defining body to elect remaining ICANN Board members.
> Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
> > At 08:04 11.02.00 -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
> > >The problem is Harald, we haven't even seen a reasonable attempt beyond
> > >your original document which was instituted in its entirety despite
> > >substantial debate on specific provisions.
> > Let's see....I made a list of issues that I thought controversial.
> > These included:
> > - Whether there should be a requirement for identification:
> > 6 opinions voiced, 4 in favour. Proposal kept.
> > - Whether people should be allowed to participate under an assumed name:
> > 2 opinions voiced, both in favour. Proposal changed.
> > - Whether mail addresses should be public (WHO command)
> > 7 opinions voiced, 4 against. Proposal kept.
> > - Whether the unfiltered list should be archived:
> > 9 opinions voiced, 8 in favour. Proposal changed.
> > - Whether the unfiltered archive should be public:
> > 10 opinions voiced, 6 in favour, 4 against. Proposal changed.
> > I don't see this as "instituting the original document in its entirety".
> > > There is also the issue of
> > >which list an individual is subscribed to by default, which I strongly
> > >believe should be the *unfiltered* list. I am quite capable and happy to
> > >spend the 30 seconds or so it takes to subscribe to the filtered list.
> > >However this too didn't seem to be up for compromise.
> > Indeed it did not seem so.
> > This question is the core of our disagreement.
> > I believe that the GA, in order to function, must function as a
> > deliberative assembly. And the assembly must have exactly one place that is
> > its place of discussion - not two.
> > The "default is the unfiltered list" sounds so innocent - but it defines
> > the assembly's place of discussion to be that list.
> > I believe that it is *required* for *any* assembly to have rules that allow
> > chastising of improper behaviour, including allowing someone to be
> > "virtually ejected" from the assembly, by being refused the right to speak.
> > I also believe that this is a very drastic measure, and one not to be
> > undertaken lightly. On the requirements for imposing this measure, and on
> > the rules for coming to a conclusion that they must be imposed, I am
> > willing to compromise a lot - as long as the result does not require
> > something known to be impossible (such as an unanimous vote by the GA.....).
> > But on the basic principle - that an assembly, in order to have civil
> > discourse, must have the right to refuse people the right to speak *in the
> > designated forum of that assembly* - I don't see the possibility of compromise.
> > It is a clear YES or NO. No third alternative is possible.
> > Harald
> > --
> > Harald Tveit Alvestrand, EDB Maxware, Norway
> > Harald.Alvestrand@edb.maxware.no
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