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Kent and all Assembly members,

  I think Kent is either stretching the truth here or the woman he is
referring to is potentially suffering from some mental disorder of
gargantuan proportions.

  I have HUNDREDS of private messages from others that indicate that
Kent, William, Roberto, and a few others of a specific lack of integrity
bent would not wish to participate if speech is overly restricted and
SELECTIVE CENSORSHIP is allowed in any way.

Kent Crispin wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 03:16:52PM -0800, Karl Auerbach wrote:
> >
> > > So we are not chosing between "moderation" and "no moderation".  We are
> > > instead chosing between "conscious visible accountable moderation by
> > > good guys" vs "stochastic malicious moderation by bad guys".  As things
> > > currently stand, the "bad guys" are filtering "good guys" off the list.
> >
> > Nonesense.
> Sorry.  This is fact.  I have, for example, a personal email from a
> woman who would not post to the list because she did not want to be a
> target of one of Baptista's little pornographic poems.  That is,
> Baptista is censoring her comments from the list through his threats and
> actions.
> > You are asserting that your sargeants can muzzle those who say
> > things you don't like to hear.
> >
> > You have the power to cover your own ears.
> That would do no good for the case of the woman I mentioned.  She is
> embarassed by the thought of others reading pornographic descriptions of
> her, and sensitive to how it might affect how others think about her --
> the whole sexual harassment scene in a nutshell.
> In other words, just because you revel in having your name scribbled on
> bathroom walls doesn't mean that other people do.
> > > This is acceptable to you, Karl, and others, but it is not acceptable
> > > for ICANN.  It contradicts the very openness of which you are so fond.
> >
> > You sounds like Kafka - white is black, up is down, censorship is free
> > speech.   Next you will be saying "We had to kill the mail list in order
> > to save it."
> >
> > By-the-way, I object to your technique of asserting that you know what is
> > and what is not acceptable to me.
> You are absolutely pathetic.  YOUR WHOLE POINT is that you can filter my
> posts if you don't like them.  Please do so.
> > > It discriminates in favor of those who have been on the net for a long
> > > time, who are familiar with email filters and other things.  It
> > > discriminates in favor of those who have a high tolerance for verbal
> > > abuse.  It discriminates in favor of those who don't care what they do or
> > > say.   It discriminates in favor of those who speak thoughtlessly.
> >
> > If anyone out there needs help setting up their e-mail filters, they are
> > free to ask for help, and I'm sure it will be provided.
> >
> > As for tolerance of abuse, I have a low tolerance for those people who
> > insist on silencing others because it musses up their Martha Stewart
> > lives.
> Precisely -- you are willing to eliminate such people from the list.
> You have no interest whatsoever in hearing the opinions of such people,
> despite the fact that marthastewart.com is a thriving internet business
> and has every right to be here.  You have no interest in having an
> *actual* open forum, where people can intelligently discuss topics
> germane to ICANN's mandate.  You want to swagger around a bad-ass old
> boys club, where those who can't cut the mustard are driven out by
> verbal abuse.
> > ICANN can not afford to further distance itself from those who are
> > affected by the Internet.
> Precisely.  But *you* are are willing to eliminate such people from the
> list.
> --
> Kent Crispin                               "Do good, and you'll be
> kent@songbird.com                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain

James Touton
Legal and Policy Advisory Council,
INEGRoup (Stakeholder)

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