Re: Request for independant verification to:Re: [ga] Re: What listforwards t...

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Jeff Karl and everyone else,

  Due to that obvious and well earned lack of trust in the illegitimate
elected "Chair" and "Co Chair" as well as the NC I must also
strongly agree with Jeff's suggestions.  I also know that our members
would also request/require that the questions possed by both 
Karl and Jeff be answered clearly.  I am not confident that this will
occur though...

David "Dude" Jenson
INEGRoup-East Director

In a message dated 1/25/00 7:56:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com writes:

<< Karl and all,
 
   I think Karls questions are valid.  I would request that a Independent
 responsible party such as the Technet group or the Federal Election
 Commission be ask to independently verify that these questions be answered
 accurately.  I would also propose/request that the following questions
 be answered:
 
 1) Has at any time anyone originally or otherwise ever been restricted
      from posting to these list after subscribing?
 
 2.) Has anyone been denied subscription from this list?
 
 Karl Auerbach wrote:
 
 > > > I disagree with this formulation.  All filtering should be done by by
 > > > private groups/individuals using their own tools on their own machines 
and
 > > > using their own criteria.
 > >
 > > We have already moved past this.  List rules are in place, and now it is 
time
 > > to move forward.
 >
 > One would hope that censorship has not yet been established as a procedure
 > of ICANN via its subsidiary organ, the GA.
 >
 > Roberto -  Could you please answer the following two questions?  Thanks.
 >
 >   1) Is any natural person[*] currently being blocked from subscribing to
 >      this list?
 >
 >   2) Is any natural person[*] who is subscribed to this list blocked from
 >      posting to this list?
 >
 > [*] I use the term "natural person" to summarize the fact that list
 > subscribers ought to meet the minimal standard of actually existing, and
 > existing but once.
 >
 > If the answer to either question is "yes", then this list is censured.
 >
 > > > Censorship should not be performed by any ICANN organ.
 > >
 > > Again, this is not censorship.  It is enforcement of rules of civil
 > > participation.
 >
 > One can engage in Humpty-Dumpty euphemisms and call it something else, but
 > it is still censorship, and it is still ugly and repugnant.
 >
 > I remind everyone that unless one is using ancient e-mail tools, each of
 > us has the personal technogy to avert his/her own electronic eyes from
 > things coming from people we find unacceptable.
 >
 > If you don't like Joe B. or Jeff W., then set up your own private filters.
 > If you need help setting them up, just ask.
 >
 > But please don't use your failure to exercise self-protection as an excuse
 > to gag those you don't agree with.
 >
 >                 --karl--
 
 Regards,
 
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