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Re: [ga-roots] Re: Alternate Roots, Naming Systems Coming Under Fire


does anyone else see the irony of this statement when applied to alternate
roots....(the statement was from an article about internationalized names)


Despite these impediments, even ICANN recognizes, as it did with new TLDs,
that it can only stand in the way of new technology for so long. "All the
other organizations that are not within our process are out there doing
things anyway," ICANN chairman Vinton Cerf was quoted as saying at the
Stockholm meeting in response to the pleas to delay deployment of
multilingual domain names.







----- Original Message -----
From: "List Admin" <patrick@quad.net.au>
To: "Karl Auerbach" <karl@CAVEBEAR.COM>
Cc: "[ga-roots]" <ga-roots@dnso.org>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 6:19 PM
Subject: [ga-roots] Re: Alternate Roots, Naming Systems Coming Under Fire


> From: Karl Auerbach <karl@CaveBear.com>
> To: [ga-roots] <ga-roots@dnso.org>; Patrick Corliss <patrick@quad.net.au>
> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 05:39:24 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re[2]: [ga-roots] Alternate Roots, Naming Systems Coming Under
Fire
>
>
> > The ones here seem to think that there must be a uniform "inclusive"
> > namespace, and not multiple namespaces that are unique to each other.
>
> It is interesteresting to watch folks subjecting something I wrote to what
> appears to be an exercise in Biblical exgesis.
>
> > That is a direct contradiction to Karl's comments, as well as his
> > writings that he made even before he stood for election to the BOD.
>
> It is my belief that we never had and never will have a global uniform
> name space for the internet - we have always had bumps and lumps such as
> hostfiles, hidden names (i.e. hosts behind filters/firewalls), local
> naming systems (netbios, YP/NIS), configuration flaws (i.e. MX records but
> no A records), etc.
>
> As I've argued, there are non-technical pressures that push for a core of
> consistency - it is, after all, inconvenient to encounter names of limited
> scope, particularly when one is outside of that scope.
>
> As came up in Stockholm during my public talk with Fred Baker - the focus
> of this discussion is not on whether inconsistencies can arise, or even
> whether such inconsistencies can cause some unpleasant things to happen
> (they can), but whether these inconsistencies will grow to the extent that
> the represent a greater inconvenience than the already-existing
> inconsitencies that we have lived with for years.  And if so, is there
> anything that can be done?  And if so (the Markov chain is growing) who,
> if anyone, shall do the deed?
>
> As has been pointed out in numerous places, competing roots that contain
> the same data are not a danger of any kind (except perhaps to those
> regulatory bodies that want to exercise control over "the name space" by
> leveraging their power over a single choke-point into power over the
> entire space.)
>
> My sense is that many in the alternate root community are doing the
> sensible and politic thing - avoiding situations in which direct conflicts
> occur.  They seem to be saying that it is acceptable to add
> non-conflicting items to the name space - much like the * and # keys added
> to the 0..9 keys on old rotary dial telephones - but that it is impolitic
> to invite conflicts.
>
> That's fine, and it does raise the point that the body that provides even
> that small amount coordination does have at least cast a vague shadow of
> ICANN-like-ness.
>
> My point is that even without that kind of explicit coordination there
> will be pressures, pressures coming from enlightened self interest, that
> will drive name space providers to come up with a product that, when
> viewed by the consumer, is quite consistent with other products and
> lacking in surprises.
>
> And my further point is that the net will continue to run even if other
> name space communities arise that don't want to play with the rest of us
> (for example, net-gamers and kiddees are likely to adopt their own name
> spaces just as they adapt their own jargon elsewhere).
>
> --karl--
>
>
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