RE: [ga-roots] Jon Postel

[Simon Higgs <simon@higgs.com>]

At 04:58 PM 5/28/01 -0700, Josh Elliott wrote:
>To be more specific about your inaccuracies:
>
>1) Bill Manning was never "outsted", in fact, he did not work on IANA very
>often.
>2) There were no budget cuts or funding cuts
>3) Bill was temporarily used to get particular technical projects completed
>on behalf of IANA, and Mike never let Manning go.

This is correct from my recollection. Bill was assisting Jon in a lot of 
matters which could be considered IANA work (I first met Bill during an 
informal Draft Postel meeting at ISI). But, after the Image Online Design 
lawsuit, Bill was never described as an IANA official (though I believe he 
was before the lawsuit). Thank the lawyers for that one.

>4) You are correct, $600k does not go very far in LA.
>5) The statement that IANA did not do anything for 6 months is completely
>inaccurate, attackful, uninformed, and inappropriate.  A number of people
>worked their butts off for the IANA project all the time.  Period.
>6) Among its regular duties at that time, IANA was working quickly torward
>the transition to NewCo/ICANN, so all of us were doing more than biting our
>nails.

Did you wear out the magic 8-ball? ;-)

>Thanks,
>
>Josh
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-ga-roots@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga-roots@dnso.org]On Behalf
>Of Roeland Meyer
>Sent: Monday, May 28, 2001 3:03 PM
>To: 'Simon Higgs'; [ga-roots]
>Subject: RE: [ga-roots] Jon Postel
>
>
>ICANN took over IANA that Dec98, between 25Dec98 and 1Jan99, including
>funding. That was when Bill Manning was ousted. It had to happen because USG
>was cutting their funding, remember? This is also why I said ORSC needed to
>be backed up by funding. A large chunk of ICANN's original $600K went to
>IANA operations. A lot of folks looked to Mike Roberts for letting Manning
>go, but the truth of the matter is that there wasn't enough funds for the
>head-count ($600K doesn't stretch very far in Los Angeles).
>
>AFAICT, IANA did absolutely nothing between Jul98 and Jan99 (except bite
>their nails, maybe).
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Simon Higgs [mailto:simon@higgs.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 2:51 AM
> > To: [ga-roots]
> > Subject: RE: [ga-roots] Jon Postel
> >
> >
> > At 08:09 AM 5/25/01 -0700, Josh Elliott wrote:
> >
> > Who all worked for the IANA with Jon? As I understand it, it
> > was a four
> > person task with 0.25 person budget.
> >
> > Also, how did it change after Jon died?
> >
> > >Patrick,
> > >
> > >There are a few details I would dispute, but the only real
> > important one is
> > >that IANA only existed until late 1998, which is entirely
> > incorrect.  The
> > >IANA still exists today under ICANN management, and before ICANN took
> > >control contractually for IANA, it still operated without
> > the direction of
> > >Jon Postel in late 1998.
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >
> > >Josh (former IANA Administrator)
> > >
> > >Josh Elliott, President & CEO
> > >Basic Fusion, Inc.
> > >
> > >josh@basicfusion.com
> > >+1 661 254 8701 (Work)
> > >+1 661 287 3523 (Fax)
> > >+1 818 470 1040 (Mobile)
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-ga-roots@dnso.org
> > [mailto:owner-ga-roots@dnso.org]On Behalf
> > >Of Patrick Corliss
> > >Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 7:50 AM
> > >To: NameCritic
> > >Cc: [ga-roots]
> > >Subject: [ga-roots] Jon Postel
> > >
> > >
> > >On Fri, 25 May 2001 04:10:16 -0700, William X. Walsh wrote:
> > >Subject: Re[4]: (Fwd) Re: [ga-roots] alternate roots
> > considered harmful
> > >
> > > > Hello NameCritic,
> > > >
> > > > Friday, May 25, 2001, 3:41:28 AM, NameCritic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> You obviously do not know your domain history very well.
> > > >
> > > > > Or you do not William. Are you saying there was never a
> > time when all
> > > > > you had to do was ask Jon Postel for a domain name to get one?
> > > >
> > > > A top level domain?  Yes, I am.
> > >
> > >http://www.cctec.com/maillists/nanog/historical/9603/msg00108.html
> > >Just a small quibble David:  when you say "the IANA"
> > decided, it gives
> > >the impression that an august group of people like the IESG
> > took action.
> > >In reality "the IANA" is but a SINGLE person - John Postel.  If some
> > >people are upset I suspect it might be because the power to
> > make such a
> > >decision is vested in the hands of ONE person rather than in a group.
> > >
> > >http://www.tftb.com/ICANN.html
> > >That the system has worked as well as it has is largely a
> > tribute to the
> > >work of one man, Dr. John Postel, the recently deceased
> > director of the
> > >Internet Assigned Numbers Authority.
> > >
> > >http://www.u.arizona.edu/~wfoster/whogoverns.html
> > >InterNIC gets its authority to delegate both IP address and
> > domain names
> > >from the Internet Assigned Number Authority (IANA). IANA,
> > which is run by
> > >John Postel, has historically been responsible for unique
> > parameters that
> > >are required by IETF protocols. Though IANA had given most
> > countries the
> > >right to operate their own TLD and assign secondary domain
> > names within it,
> > >the .com TLD has developed a cachet not only for United
> > States businesses
> > >but for businesses all over the world.
> > >
> > >http://www.murdoch.edu.au/elaw/issues/v6n1/blakeney61_text.html
> > >The IANA also allocated the right to administer country code
> > TLDs to local
> > >Network Information Centres (NICs) or to local corporations.
> > For example the
> > ><.co.uk>, <.ltd.uk>, <.plc.uk>, <.net.uk> and <.org.uk>
> > domain names are
> > >administered by Nominet UK Limited (Nominet).
> > >
> > >http://www.isocnz.org.nz/international/cctld000728report-best
> > -practice.html
> > >CENTR's view is that complete authority was transferred by
> > John Postel to
> > >the local manager, and all issues, including re-delegation,
> > are a matter for
> > >the local courts in the country associated with the ccTLDs.
> > >
> > >http://www.isocnz.org.nz/international/cctld000728report-best
> > -practice.html
> > >Nominet (the manager of .uk) has taken US legal advice,
> > which is to the
> > >effect that the UK registry has a contract with either the
> > estate of John
> > >Postel, or his employer (effectively the University of
> > Southern California).
> > >Nominet has not consented to any transfer of the benefits or
> > obligations
> > >under that contract to ICANN, and does not recognise any
> > ICANN authority
> > >over the UK registry.
> > >
> > >http://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/
> > >1988.  Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA)
> > established in December
> > >with Jon Postel as its Director. Postel was also the RFC
> > Editor and US
> > >Domain registrar for many years.
> > >
> > >http://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/
> > >1989.  Countries connecting to NSFNET: Australia (AU),
> > Germany (DE), Israel
> > >(IL), Italy (IT), Japan (JP), Mexico (MX), Netherlands (NL),
> > New Zealand
> > >(NZ), Puerto Rico (PR), United Kingdom (UK)
> > >
> > >http://www.iiia.org/lists/newdom/1995q3/0239.html
> > >Actually, while the InterNIC processes the requests for the
> > two-letter
> > >country code TLDs and does the interactions with the applicants, the
> > >IANA is in the loop on approving each one. So the ultimate
> > approval of
> > >each (ISO-3166) two-letter country code TLD has always and
> > continues to
> > >involve an approval step by the IANA.
> > >
> > >http://www.itu.int/newsarchive/press/releases/1998/PostelLegacy.html
> > >Few organizations have played as critical a role as the
> > IANA. Unique numbers
> > >and unique names must be assigned and managed. The IANA has allocated
> > >Internet protocol addresses and maintained a registry of the
> > unique values
> > >required for the Internet to work. This has been IANA's task
> > from the very
> > >beginning.
> > >
> > >http://www.net99.org/presentations/Bernard_Turcotte/tsld002.htm
> > >The top level DNS system was under the administration of the Internet
> > >Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) and its director John
> > Postel until late
> > >1998.  IANA administered the TLD system and the IP address system
> > >internationally without any formal authority.
> > >
> > >See http://www.auda.org.au/docs/letter-com.au.html
> > >com.au Letter of Authority
> > >15 November 1999
> > >
> > >.au Domain Administration
> > >255 Elizabeth Street
> > >Sydney NSW 2000
> > >
> > >Dear Sirs
> > >
> > >The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority ("IANA") has delegated to
> > >me the authority to manage the .au namespace.
> > >
> > >I hereby now delegate to you full authority to manage the .com.au
> > >namespace, which is a subset of the .au namespace (the "Domain").
> > >
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >In the event that I am succeeded as the delegated authority for
> > >the .au namespace, my successor shall assume all the rights and
> > >obligations accruing to me under my arrangement with IANA and
> > >this arrangement with you.
> > >
> > >I trust that you will administer the Domain in a fair and
> > >responsible manner.
> > >
> > >Yours sincerely
> > >Robert Elz
> > >
> > >
> > >Regards
> > >Patrick Corliss
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > Simon Higgs
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Best Regards,

Simon Higgs

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