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Hmmm.  I never received Jess' original reply, so I'll shamelessly respond to both here! :)
 
>First of all, you cannot apply the law half-assed to where you want it like limiting it to a few domains and not all! 
>Fortunately or unfortunately, laws come in one-size only.
 
Not true.  We regularly pass laws to regulate many things, and these laws are often very arbitrary.  ICANN is effectively setting up laws to govern Internet domain name usage and assignment.  My point was that, if the corporate world wants to beat each other up over trademarks in domains, let's give them a "sandbox" they can play in (a few designated domain names), then leave the rest open for first-come, first-served. 
 
>Second of all, it is not the trademark law, but how  the legal system  is being abused by WIPO and ICANN for the
>benefit of a few.   The Courts do recognize the rights of  common law and first usage under the trademark laws.
 
I don't disagree with this.  In fact, if you've read my posts in this forum over the past few years, you'll know I have no great love for the UDRP ICANN set up, simply because it *does* discriminate in favor of trademark holders.  However, the logical assumption is, if we move trademark rights to a sandbox, UDRP goes with them!
 
In his reply to Jess, Eric wrote:

>a.    human concern must prevail over commercial concern.
>b.    Icann, UDRP and WIPO should place individuals above Industrial concerns.
I don't necessarily agree with these statements.  I'm for a level playing field.  Both trademark holders and individuals should come into the dispute with a equal status.  That is not true under UDRP.  As long as a domain holder is using a domain name he leagally required for legitimate purposes (which includes flaming or parodying the trademark holder!) they should prevail if they got there first!  A trademark is a poor substitute for lack of vision: the individual domain name holder should not be penalized solely because some corporate giant dragged their heels about starting a Web presence!
 
>c.    We do not need a regulatory body to defend IP interests, but rather one to defend individual interests.
 
Actually, we need both.  Trademark holders have a reasonable right to protect their good name.  But that right shouldn't extend to "evicting" an individual from a domain name is the holdr is acting in good faith to maintain a Web presence and isn't trying to pass themselves off as the trademark holder!

Bruce Young
Portland, Oregon
byoung651@attbi.com
http://home.attbi.com/~byoung651/index.html

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Dierker [mailto:eric@hi-tek.com]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 6:54 PM
To: JessWest@aol.com
Cc: byoung651@attbi.com; jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com; lyradius@yahoo.com; richardhenderson@ntlworld.com; gtld@gtldregistries.org; ga@dnso.org; forum@atlargestudy.org; icann-board@icann.org
Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [ALSC-Forum] Re: [GTLD Registries List] What is the accreditatio...

Jess my man,

Can you please lighten up and see that you and Mr. Young see things the same in most respects?

Please take a look and if you speak of consistence, you will find the law applied half assed.

May I be so bold as to take a stab at consensus between you as though I were acting as some
half assed chair?

a.    human concern must prevail over commercial concern.
b.    Icann, UDRP and WIPO should place individuals above Industrial concerns.
c.    We do not need a regulatory body to defend IP interests, but rather one to defend
        individual interests.

Peace and happy new year,
Eric

JessWest@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 12/31/2001 6:01:50 PM Central Standard Time, byoung651@attbi.com writes:
 
 
I don't disagree.  However, the law as it currently exists recognizes the right of trademark holders over domain names whether we agree or not.  I'm just arguing to limit that right to a few domains.

First of all, you cannot apply the law half-assed to where you want it like limiting it to a few domains and not all!  Fortunately or unfortunately, laws come in one-size only.

Second of all, it is not the trademark law, but how  the legal system  is being abused by WIPO and ICANN for the benefit of a few.   The Courts do recognize the rights of common law and first usage under the trademark laws.



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