Re: [ga] Board decisions (2)
I understand Danny's mail proposes two different things.
1) to ask the DNSO elect Directors who did not vote as per the DNSO's
recomendation to resign.
>>> here you points seem acceptable to me
once accepted the
of the Dennis Jennings' error. Joe Sims testified
in a way which makes clear that he altered the
SO bylaws in
the DNSO case to accomodate within the DNSO
interests (consumers) as proposed by Dennis. The
WG-Review issue and the @large Study Group are
about correcting that error.
against it at the WG-Review - what was your
right - with the inconsious help of a few newbies to
the WG-R lost track (you named it hi-jacking) and
obtain what its initial Chair intended i.e. a parallel
effort of clarification and of reorganization over
period of time between the DNSO (interested in
netwide issues) and the @large (interested
in voting on
The disagreement is between a bottom-up organization
most support and the top-down approach you favor. IMHO
approaches are wrong: iCANN should be a
organization, where national and market internet
[represented by their NIC] confederate to obtain a few
services, and where professionnal competences may meet
offer pertinent advises and may coordinate
2) to establish the procedure for the DNSO elect Director to be
>>> I think Danny is right. We need that
procedure to be
to provide guide lines helping us never
will continue having comments as:
uncertaintity at voting time for our Directors.
The trade mark system is not for Mr. Touton to give
ownership of English, Chinese, French or Indi
(again IMHO the most important issue in the Plan B is
being given to iCANN/Staff with permission to
You will not make me believe that Jonathan Cohen
not support plan B for partisan reasons he has always
clear about (I do not think they are in the best
of the Internet community but the NC obviously decided
could in favoring him to Jamie Love).
I understand the support given by Alejandro Pisanty as
general support to Vint Cerf so the iCANN does not
divided in front of the DoC, the press and the
opinion. If this
is the case the responsibility taken is tremendous and
would be ours. Would clear rules have obliged
to vote according to the DNSO position, he could have
joined Abril i Abril.
On that issue, I quote the later trhough Ted Byfield
(URL above) :
My own impression, having sat through four numbing days of the ICANN
meeting, is that the ICANN board, with a few possible exceptions, is
neither venal nor corrupt but, rather, clueless: they spent an
inordinate amount of time listening to Sims and Touton tell them
what was happening.
Newly elected board member Amadeu Abril i Abril put it best when he spoke
of the lingering problems with the NSI agreements: "I don't like
these agreements... This is the best agreement we could have, given the
circumstances... What I still wonder is why the circumstances were
artificially altered." He went on to say that he thinks the U.S.
government owes us an explanation of how this whole fiasco came about. I
think Sims and Touton owe it to us. And once the full force of the UDRP
become clear, I think you'll agree.
On 17:25 08/04/01, Kent Crispin said:
On Sun, Apr 08, 2001 at 12:17:16PM
+0200, Siegfried Langenbach wrote:
> Mr Chairman, members of the ICANN board, members of NC,
> members of constituencies and GA
> A) CHANGE OF BYLAWS
> it was hard to imagine, but it happened : the board of ICANN
> the power they have (according the bylaws) and voted against
> recommendations of the DNSO constituencies and
According to the bylaws, a "recommendation of the DNSO"
majority vote of the elected members of the names council, and a
"consensus" position of the DNSO requires a 2/3 vote of the
the NC. Nine of the 19 members of the NC voted that they
favored the old contract. Nine is less than half the membership of
NC; this is not a majority, therefore it was not a recommendation of
This particular formulation was arrived at, you may recall, in the
context of a debate over the issue of a "weak" NC vs a
"strong" NC; this
debate actually revolves around the more fundamental issue of the
of a minority vs the power of the majority, an issue that is
encapsulated in the old saying "democracy is two wolves and a sheep
voting on what to have for dinner". Without some kind of
for the rights of minority positions, a democracy is simply a tyranny
of the majority.
There are two common approaches to dealing with this issue: 1) the
of Rights" approach, where certain rights are simply put beyond
power of the majority to affect; and the "super majority" (or
consensus") approach, where decisions require much more than a
majority. (These approaches are not mutually exclusive, of
In our context the "minorities" that were concerned about this
registries, both the ccTLDs and NSI. (Nowadays, the registrars are
included in that class.) [You may recall that the ccTLD registries
developed the notion of the "producer/consumer" split, which
proposed in the DNSO formation meetings by Dennis Jennings: the
"producers" (registries/registrars) are numerically a tiny
relative to the "consumers", their interests are
antagonistic, and the "producers" don't want to turn control of
enterprises over to their customers.]
In any case, the result in the bylaws was that, by intention, it
be relatively hard for the NC to make a recommendation.
> Article V, Section 8. DUTIES OF DIRECTORS
> Directors shall serve as individuals who
have the duty to act in
> what they reasonably believe are the best interests of the
> Corporation and not as representatives of
the subordinate entity
> that selected them, their employers, or any other organizations
> Making representatives ( elected boards ) responsible to those
> elected them is a fundamental issue IMO ( otherwise they are
> representatives in the words meaning ).
In fact, they are not "representatives", and they cannot
legally be so.
That is a crucial difference between a government and a
ICANN is a corporation, and its directors, by law, have a fiduciary
to the corporation and its purposes, and not to the people who
(s)elected them. This is an absolutely fundamental
In the case of ICANN, the purposes of the corporation are to support
the bests of the Internet community as a whole -- not the interest of
> I can not see any sense in participating in a body
> ( constituency ) which is ignored by the board;
I'm sorry to tell you, but there is absolutely no way of avoiding
-- unless absolutely everyone agrees (which we know is not the
there will always be some group that disagrees with the outcome of a
decision -- and they will always have the option of saying that they
were "ignored by the board".
> B) RESPONSIBILITIES
> In addition I fail to see that the BoD followed Article VI,
> RESPONSIBILITIES AND POWERS
> in which the process of taking decisions is described.
> (f) If the Board declines to accept any recommendation of a
> Supporting Organization,
As described above, in fact there was no recommendation.
> Lets have a quick look to the members of BoD:
You ask how the various board members can justify their action. In
opinion it is clear that they voted for the result that they really
think is best for the Internet Community, given the information that
Looking down the list you provided, it is quite clear that none of
board members are tied to NSI/VRSN. Moreover, the history of
between ICANN and NSI is such that it is very hard to imagine that
either the board or the staff of ICANN have any particular love for NSI.
Nor can we presume that the board and staff are unknowledgable about
ways of the world, or that they are ignorant of the business
that are fundamental to this issue. Unlike some of those that
oppose the new agreements, none of the board members have any
vested interest in in the outcome. There is no evidence at all of
conspiracy among the board members -- in fact, quite the contrary...
And your letter is adequate proof that there is no particular
advantage that the board members gain for this vote.
Consequently, there is no reasonable explanation for the outcome of the
vote except that the board really thinks this is the best result.
If you disagree with that assessment, I would be interested to know
your explanation for the outcome.
"Be good, and you will be
lonesome." -- Mark Twain
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