Re: [ga] GA until December 1999 and since January 2000
Eric and all remaining assembly members,
I think that WXW's remark towards you was intended as a derogatory
remark or "Label" so as to make you candidacy look less viable or
attractive. It is an old political ploy that some of us old hands are aware
of and have grown accustom to from our constant companion, WXW...
Eric Dierker wrote:
> Dear Harald & Elisabeth,
> Mr. Walsh called me a newbie. He is right and I thank him along with you two and
> the many others for helping all of us newbies. While I don't think getting
> initiated into this process is for everyone it has been a great experience. One
> is not ignored in this process.
> I was thinking about how brutal the process is for us newbies, and then I reread
> the following posts and realized that it was I who was being brutal. I
> apologize. I can only imagine how it was for Roberto and Harald, what a frontier
> they have significantly helped to settle. And now I come in and demand a
> perfectly civilized culture yesterday. Again I apologize.
> I wish I could make others realize how far we have come and how relatively new
> ICANN is, and how it truly is working toward it's objectives. And I know that we
> will do that and it just takes some time, Education, Outreach & Multilingualism to
> get it done.
> Thank you all for working hard for my childrens' internet.
> p.s. Don't think this means I am going to lighten up on you, or be nice.
> Elisabeth Porteneuve wrote:
> > I have been working as the DNSO Secretariat since June 2nd 1999.
> > Several people on this list are here from the very start, and
> > have been witnessing the days when there were no Chair and Alternate
> > Chair, no list rules formaly established.
> > Since January 2000, Roberto Gaetano and Harald Alvestrand have
> > been working very hard with all members to the DNSO lists, with
> > the Secretariat, the Names Council and ICANN staff and Board aliake,
> > to make the GA a place for substantial debate and substantial
> > documents (*), with rules for list, for votes, and now for the
> > GA Chair election.
> > Please note the DNSO GA is the only place within the ICANN structure
> > where everybody is welcome to subscribe to a mailing list and
> > to participate actively. One thousand members on all DNSO lists.
> > Such a place of openess and generosity is precious, but also
> > fragile and difficult.
> > Thanks to all for preserving this.
> > Elisabeth Porteneuve
> > (*) Last week the GA document on ICANN-VeriSign contract along with
> > the Constituencies ones, has been sent by the Names Council Chair to the
> > ICANN Board as "DNSO Input of Proposed VeriSign Agreement Revisions",
> > http://www.icann.org/melbourne/dnso-input-verisign-revisions-28mar01.htm
> > > From firstname.lastname@example.org Sat Mar 31 08:19 MET 2001
> > > Message-Id: <18.104.22.168.2.20010331080213.07d32978@localhost>
> > > X-Sender: hta@localhost
> > > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 08:14:40 +0200
> > > To: Eric Dierker <Eric@hi-tek.com>, <email@example.com>
> > > From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@Alvestrand.no>
> > > Subject: List rules again (Re: [ga] Re: (6))
> > > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > >
> > > At 00:18 31/03/2001 -0800, Eric Dierker wrote:
> > > > 2. One man, to date has been Harald decides what is wrong or right
> > > > on freedom of speech issues? No this is not good and looks bad. I would
> > > > set up a committee of three and give 48 hour notices and response time or
> > > > more. Immediacy in stopping public opinion is not necessary. To tell
> > > > you the truth it looks like book burning.
> > > >Regardless of the antagonist Jeff from Texas. Many of the the things we
> > > >said today rate far worse than what he was accused of doing.
> > >
> > > Reminders:
> > >
> > > 1) The rules are at http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/2000.GA-ga-rules.html
> > > 2) The rules were adopted by list vote, gathering a majority of 46 out of
> > > 55 votes, November 6-17, 2000. This was the first vote to be taken after
> > > a voting rule had been voted in by the GA members.
> > > 3) The rules do not mandate a single list monitor, or that this list monitor
> > > should be the alternate chair. There have been no volunteers to help
> > > with the job; I think we need at least one more person.
> > > 4) I will argue strenously that the list monitor needs the right to act
> > > rapidly - that means the ability to act on his own. There is an appeals
> > > procedure in place (appeal to GA chair).
> > > (This also means that the GA chair SHOULD NOT be a list monitor....)
> > > 5) I regard the idea that my employer is relevant to my integrity as
> > > a personal insult.
> > > Remember - we ALL work for someone. If one allows silencing on that
> > > basis, we are on a very slippery slope indeed.
> > > 6) On the "others have been worse than Jeff" argument:
> > > Surprisingly, no complaint has been lodged with the list monitor over
> > > any behaviour except that of Jeff Williams. The list monitor has chosen
> > > not to generate any complaint either.
> > > This does NOT mean that angry participants don't need to tone down!
> > >
> > >
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