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Re: [council] Convention-Style Voting adapted to the DNSO conditions
Also a strong objection.
I only just saw this when I started at work at 0900 on Monday morning.
/Please/ do not put any formal proposals up for consideration outside
working hours in future. And 'no objection' is not a mechanism which
should be used for such proposals either.
We all need the opportunity to read, digest, and also perhaps
consult on the detail of such this, especially as I have not yet seen
the minutes of the telcon at which the principles behind this proposal
were agreed.
Nigel
--
Dennis Jennings wrote:
>
> Elisabeth, NC Colleagues,
>
> A strong objection, I'm afraid. Sorry.
>
> This variation of the convention style election process does not guarantee
> closure and is very confusing. Could we please make it simpler and much
> closer to the process recommended by Andrew. In addition, it must
> guarantee a GD outcome.
>
> I suggest the process (Andrew's) as follows:
>
> First Election to elect the Three Year ICANN Board member.
>
> First round: All NC's vote - 3 votes - three candidates must be voted for.
> If any candidate has 10 votes or more, that candidate is elected. If not,
> the candidates with zero votes are eliminated.
> ** Period of discussion within NC (I mean 30 - 60 minutes - not 30 - 60
> days)
> Second round: All NCs vote - 3 votes - three candidates voted for. If any
> candidate has more that 10 votes, that candidate elected. If not
> candidates with 1 vote are eliminated.
>
> Additional rounds - until a candidate get more that 10 votes.
>
> Result announced. All other candidates who are citizens of the region from
> which the fist elected board member comes are eliminated.
>
> *** Period of consultation with Constituencies - perhaps 24 hours.
>
> Second Election to elect the Two Year ICANN Board member.
>
> First round: All NCs vote - etc.
>
> Result announced. All other candidates from the region now represented are
> eliminated.
>
> Third Election to elect for the One Year ICANN Board member.
>
> First round: As above.- etc. etc.
>
> Result announced. End of election.
>
> Now, taking some of Amadeu's inputs on multiple votes, I think a variation
> on the above process that would speed up the election, and allow an element
> of preferential voting, would be desireable. It could be as follows (I
> just show the First Round process below - the rest follows the structure
> above).
>
> First Round: All NCs vote: 6 votes - must be used as follows - three
> votes for the first preference candidate, 2 votes for the second
> preference, 1 vote for the third preference. If any candidate has 30 votes
> or more - elected. If not, those with less that three votes eliminated.
> ** period of consultation.... etc.
>
> This variation would be better in my view.
>
> The timescales proposed in the original message seem OK to me.
>
> Dennis
>
> On Friday, September 24, 1999 9:11 PM, Elisabeth Porteneuve
> [SMTP:Elisabeth.Porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr] wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I tried to put together Andrew proposal with Amadeu input,
> > I am not sure I took into account Javier's very important
> > request for feasability, however it takes into account all
> > NC concerns.
> >
> > Without major objection from your side during the next 36 hours,
> > it will be considered adopted and published Sunday morning CET
> > on the dnso.org website.
> >
> > Elisabeth
> > --
> >
> > Convention-Style Voting adapted to the DNSO conditions.
> >
> > 1. Use of basic rules. The secretariat will keep votes secret
> > untill the end of election period, and at the end make all
> > records public.
> > 2. According to the current nominations, it is assumed that
> > the initial list of nominees will have candidates from all
> > 5 regions.
> > 3. First round via email, to reduce the initial list of nominees
> > into N1. Each member of the NC cast 3 votes.
> > 4. Second round via email, to reduce the reduced list into the
> > no more than N2. Each member of the NC cast 2 votes.
> > 5. Third round via email, to reduce the reduced list into the
> > no more than N3. Each member of the NC cast 1 vote.
> > 6. Subsequent rounds via teleconference plus email, election of 3.
> > 7. In case of a tie the special vote will be held
> > during the final NC teleconference.
> >
> > In the worst scenario, step 3(c), the NC will never meet the
> > GD, and shall probably dissolve.
> >
> > In the bad scenario, votes equally distributed to different
> > candidates, N1=18, and then N2 may be set to 10,
> > and N3 set to 6.
> > In the expected scenario, N1=10, and then N2 may be set to 7/8,
> > and N3 to 5/6.
> >
> > The proposed system require each member of the NC to be available
> > for vote during all 7 days, Oct 9 to Oct 16.
> > The first three rounds are asynchronous (you vote when you like,
> > provided it is within the time window), the last one is synchronous
> > (during NC telecon on Saturday Oct 16).
> >
> > Elections will take place during 7 days, starting
> > Saturday October 9, 18:00 CET, ending Saturday October 16, 18:00 CET.
> > Unless the worst case happen, step 3(c), the elections will end
> > on time.
> >
> > First round via email.
> > Begins: Saturday October 9, 18:00 CET
> > Ends: Monday October 11, 18:00 CET
> > Votes will be sent to an address specially set up by the DNSO
> > secretariat. The results will be given within two hours after
> > the close of the first round.
> > First round, 19 voting NC members, 3 votes each, 57 total.
> > The initial number of nominees is unknown, but is assumed
> > to be as high as 20 or more.
> > Rules applied in the first round:
> > 1. Verification of valid votes.
> > Each member of the NC shall cast 3 votes, for 3 different
> > candidates.
> > 2. Verification if somebody get 10 affirmative votes.
> > If a nominee receives more than 10 affirmative votes from
> > the NC he is declared elected, and all orger candidates from
> > his geographic region are eliminated. The first candidate
> > elected with 10 affirmative votes get the mandate of 3 years,
> > the second of 2 years, and the third of 1 year.
> > 3. Dropped candidates and GD rule:
> > a. Candidates with zero, one or two votes are eliminated.
> > b. The check on the GD (geographic diversity) is done. If
> > after step (a) there is no GD, i.e. less than 3 regions
> > represented, all candidates from missing regions who received
> > 2 votes (or 1 vote if none with 2 votes) are added back
> > to the list of nominees.
> > c. (worst scenario) If the GD of nominees cannot be
> > achieved in step (b), the first round is repeted but
> > no more than 2 times. If no succes achieved, then
> > the NC shall dissolve.
> > If necessary, the first round repeted first time will be
> > Monday Oct 11, 21:00 CET to Wednesday Oct 13, 18:00 CET.
> > If necessary, the first round repeted second time will be
> > Wednesday Oct 13, 21:00 CET to Friday Oct 15, 18:00 CET.
> > In such a situation all subsequent rounds will be delayed.
> >
> > If the first round votes are equally distributed (each constituency
> > votes in block for 3 different candidates), we may end with
> > 18 nominees selected, which will be the worst possible. It is
> > expected we will have much less.
> >
> > Second round via email.
> > Begins: Monday October 11, 21:00 CET
> > Ends: Wednesday October 13, 18:00 CET
> > Votes will be sent to an address specially set up by the DNSO
> > secretariat. The results will be given within two hours after
> > the close of the second round.
> > Second round, 19 voting NC members, 2 votes each, 38 total.
> > In the worst scenario the number of nominees is expected to be 10 to 18.
> > Rules applied in the second round:
> > 1. Verification of valid votes.
> > Each member of the NC shall cast 2 votes, for 2 different
> > candidates.
> > 2. Verification if somebody get 10 affirmative votes.
> > If a nominee receives more than 10 affirmative votes from
> > the NC he is declared elected, and all orger candidates from
> > his geographic region are eliminated. The first candidate
> > elected with 10 affirmative votes get the mandate of 3 years,
> > the second of 2 years, and the third of 1 year.
> > 3. Dropped candidates and GD rule:
> > Loop A, repeted without vote until the number of remining
> > candidates is superior to N2:
> > a. Candidates with the lowest number of votes are eliminated.
> > b. The check on the GD (geographic diversity) is done. If
> > after step (a) there is no GD, i.e. less than 3 regions
> > represented, all candidates from missing regions who received
> > the lowest vote are added back to the list of nominees,
> > and their vote increased by one (this additional points will
> > not count for the affirmative votes, but only to keep GD).
> > End of Loop A.
> >
> > Third round via email.
> > Begins: Wednesday October 13, 21:00 CET
> > Ends: Friday, October 15, 18:00 CET
> > Votes will be sent to an address specially set up by the DNSO
> > secretariat. The results will be given within two hours after
> > the close of the second round.
> > Third round, 19 voting NC members, 1 votes each, 19 total.
> > In the worst scenario the number of nominees will be no greater than 10.
> > Rules applied in the third round:
> > 1. Verification of valid votes.
> > Each member of the NC shall cast 1 vote.
> > 2. Verification if somebody get 10 affirmative votes.
> > If a nominee receives more than 10 affirmative votes from
> > the NC he is declared elected, and all orger candidates from
> > his geographic region are eliminated. The first candidate
> > elected with 10 affirmative votes get the mandate of 3 years,
> > the second of 2 years, and the third of 1 year.
> > 3. Dropped candidates and GD rule:
> > Loop A, repeted without vote until the number of remining
> > candidates is superior to N3:
> > a. Candidates with the lowest number of votes are eliminated.
> > b. The check on the GD (geographic diversity) is done. If
> > after step (a) there is no GD, i.e. less than 3 regions
> > represented, all candidates from missing regions who received
> > the lowest vote are added back to the list of nominees,
> > and their vote increased by one (this additional points will
> > not count for the affirmative votes, but only to keep GD).
> > End of Loop A.
> >
> > Final rounds via telecon+email.
> > Begins: Saturday October 16, 15:00 CET
> > Ends: Saturday, October 16, 18:00 CET
> > Votes will be sent to an address specially set up by the DNSO
> > secretariat. The results will be given within minutes.
> > Final rounds, 19 voting NC members, 1 votes each, 19 total.
> > Dropped candidates and GD rule:
> > a. Candidates with the lowest number of votes are eliminated.
> > b. The check on the GD (geographic diversity) is done. If
> > after step (a) there is no GD, i.e. less than 3 regions
> > represented, the round is repeted.
> >
> > --
> > |From: "Andrew McLaughlin" <mclaughlin@pobox.com>
> > |To: <council@dnso.org>
> > |Cc: "Elisabeth Porteneuve" <Elisabeth.Porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr>
> > |Subject: [council] Rules for Convention-Style Voting
> > |Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:16:28 -0400
> > |Message-ID: <006d01bf05de$fd69a120$74152581@omnibook>
> > |
> > |To the Names Council:
> > |
> > |As promised, here is a rough outline of the rules that would govern a
> > |convention-style voting procedure.
> > |
> > |
> > |I. BASIC RULES
> > |
> > | 1. The list of Director nominees is presented to the NC.
> > | 2. Each NC member votes for one nominee.
> > | 3. The nominees are ranked by the number of votes received, and
> the NC
> > |is informed of the result.
> > | 4. The lowest vote-getting nominee is eliminated from the list.
> [For
> > |the first round, all nominees receiving zero votes *and* the lowest
> > |vote-getting nominee are eliminated from the list.]
> > | 5. The procedure is repeated with the new (reduced) list.
> > | 6. A winner is declared when a nominee receives 10 or more of the
> NC's
> > |19 votes.
> > |
> > |The first seat to be filled will be the 3-year seat; then the 2-year
> seat;
> > |then the 1-year seat.
> > |
> > |In order to reduce the number of rounds of voting, the NC might
> eliminate
> > |the *two* lowest vote-getting nominees after each round (until such time
> as
> > |three nominees remain, at which point the *one* lowest vote-getting
> nominee
> > |is eliminated).
> > |
> > |
> > |II. VARIATIONS BY VOTING MEDIUM
> > |
> > |
> > |BY TELEPHONE
> > |
> > |To conduct a convention-style election by phone:
> > |
> > | - the secretariat emails a ballot (list of nominees) to the NC
> members
> > |for reference;
> > | - the secretariat of the NC calls the roll for each round (rotating
> the
> > |list so that NC members are called in a different, random sequence for
> each
> > |round)
> > | - each NC member states his/her vote when called;
> > | - the secretariat tallies and announces the results;
> > | - the secretariat determines and announces which name(s) to
> eliminate;
> > | - the process is repeated until one nominee gets 10 or more votes.
> > |
> > |Under this scenario, the NC members will be aware of each others' votes.
> > |The call could, but need not, be webcast.
> > |
> > |One option would be to conduct the votes for the three Director seats on
> > |three different days, to break a single, long teleconference into
> smaller
> > |sessions and to allow the NC members to discuss, reflect and consult
> between
> > |the teleconferences. The teleconferences could be scheduled on three
> > |consecutive days, or on a Monday, Wednesday, Friday sequence.
> > |
> > |
> > |BY EMAIL
> > |
> > |To conduct a convention-style election by email:
> > |
> > | - the secretariat emails a ballot to each NC member, along with a
> > |deadline for the ballot to be received;
> > | - each NC member emails his/her vote back to the secretariat;
> > | - the secretariat tallies the votes and prepares a new (reduced)
> list
> > |of nominees;
> > | - emails the results and the new ballot to the NC, with the
> deadline
> > |for the next ballot to be received.
> > |
> > |The disadvantage of this method is that it will be time-consuming and at
> > |least some NC members will likely miss the deadline for at least some
> rounds
> > |of voting. At least 24 hours will be required for each round, unless
> the NC
> > |members agree in advance to check their email (for example) every 8
> hours
> > |over the course of a 3-day period.
> > |
> > |
> > |BY TELEPHONE AND EMAIL
> > |
> > |To conduct a convention-style election by telephone and email, the NC
> uses
> > |the rules for a telephone election (above), but NC members send their
> votes
> > |to the DNSO secretariat in real time by email. This allows for secret
> > |voting, but may actually lengthen the teleconference due to (i) the
> > |unreliability of email transmission, and (ii) the time required for the
> > |secretariat to read the emails and tally the votes.
> > |
> > |
> > |BY ONLINE VOTING INTERFACE
> > |
> > |Don mentioned the possibility of a specially designed online voting
> > |interface. Perhaps he could post some details.
> > |
> > |
> > |
> > |[The above is a rough outline. I'll be happy to elaborate or modify
> based
> > |on comments from the NC.]
> > |
> > |
> > |--Andrew
> >