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[council] NC teleconf minutes September 26, 2002

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 Dear Council members,

Please find the September 26 teleconf minutes below.
Please let me know whether you would like any changes.

Thank you,
DNSO Secretariat

      DNSO Names Council Teleconference on 26 September 2002 - minutes

27 September 2002.

Proposed agenda and related documents

List of attendees:

Elisabeth Porteneuve   ccTLD
Oscar Robles Garay     ccTLD absent, apologies, proxy to Elisabeth
Philip Sheppard        Business
Marilyn Cade           Business
Grant Forsyth          Business
Greg Ruth              ISPCP absent, apologies, proxy to Antonio Harris
Antonio Harris         ISPCP
Tony Holmes            ISPCP absent, apologies, proxy to Antonio Harris

Philipp Grabensee      Registrars
Ken Stubbs             Registrars
Bruce Tonkin           Registrars
Roger Cochetti         gTLD
Jordyn Buchanan        gTLD
Cary Karp              gTLD
Ellen Shankman         IP
Laurence Djolakian     IP absent
J. Scott Evans         IP
Harold Feld            NCDNH
Chun Eung Hwi          NCDNH
Erick Iriate           NCDNH absent, apologies, proxy to Harold Feld

15 Names Council Members

Glen de Saint Géry     NC Secretary
Philippe Renaut          MP3 Recording Engineer/Secretariat

MP3 recording of the meeting by the Secretariat:

Approval of agenda:


Item 2: Confirm the voting results of the ICANN Board election

The Secretary read the list of names and the vote of each member.
Alejandro Pisanty 15 votes, YJ Park 2 votes, 2 abstentions, 1ballot not
received at close of vote.
Ken Stubbs proposed the motion:
that the votes be ratified by the Names Council that Alejandro Pisanty is
elected as ICANN Board Member

seconded by Elisabeth Porteneuve.
A formal notification would be sent to the ICANN Board, announcing the

The vote was unanimously ratified by the Council.

Decision 1: Approval of the Names Council vote: Alejandro Pisanty elected as
ICANN Board Member.

Item 2. Brief discussion of resolutions up for vote on 27 September 2002


Ken Stubbs expressed concern that 2 of the 3 resolutions involved the
structure and policy of the Generic Names Supporting Organisation (GNSO) and
felt that it was inappropriate for the ccTLDs to cast votes for a Supporting
Organisation that they would not be part of in the future.
Elisabeth Porteneuve drew the Council's attention to the fact that the
ccTLDs were still part of the DNSO and had just taken part in the ICANN
Board elections. Similar comments were made by Marilyn Cade and Grant
Forsyth who said that the contribution of each constituency was important in
the present structure.
Bruce Tonkin noted that we were currently operating under the Rules of
Procedure for the Names Council.
Bruce Tonkin summarized resolution: Geographic diversity needs to be a
reality, sufficient council members are needed to share the workload and
while the Evolution and Reform Committee has allowed 3 representatives per
constituency for the transition year the situation should be reviewed after
12 months so that an intelligent decision based on the merits of competing
arguments and experience can be made.
Discussion on the resolution highlighted fears that the Board would become
too big if additional constituencies were added later, it was felt that the
number issue is a flawed assumption, and that the nature of each
constituency is different
Philip Sheppard agreed to amend the resolution saying a further review may
also be necessary should new constituencies be created.

Ellen Shankman had to leave the call and gave her proxy to J.Scott Evans.

Bruce Tonkin summarized resolution 2 addressing stakeholder representation
the basis of which today is having equal votes, and that any variation,
4+4+3 votes, would be unacceptable to the Council. The reason behind the
shift of power is to achieve a balance between contracted parties and users.
Discussion on the resolution raised the point that it could be seen as a
self-interested resolution if it came to pass It is a high level principle
of ICANN that has been changed and in an amended form merits support with
competition being removed. Philip Sheppard agreed to amend and present a
shorter resolution.

Philip Sheppard had to leave the call and gave his proxy to Marilyn Cade..

Bruce Tonkin summarized Elisabeth Porteneuve's resolutions, the first draft
having provoked some discussion and letters from Vint Cerf and Stuart Lynn
to the Names Council acknowledging that there were questions arising in the
IANA practice of obtaining and reviewing zone files and that the objectives
of the practice should be re-examined by the Security Committee. The
resolution addressed stability of the Internet, important in the White
Paper, a recent Carrier bankruptcy that needed secondary Name Servers to be
removed and updated in the IANA database, some of the ccTLD manager's
dissatisfaction with IANA functions, while it resolved that there was an
emergency situation related to Name Servers, that updates should be
processed immediately as well as the updating of day to day data, and the
protection of overall data accuracy.

Marilyn Cade said that it addressed an issue that was of broad concern to
the Names Council, accuracy of data in data bases, however she felt it
should be edited to get an upper level resolution that would be supported.
This was echoed by other members and Cary Karp felt it should be separated
into 2 motions.

Bruce Tonkin suggested separating the resolution from the response to Vint
Cerf and Stuart Lynn's letter and said that the Names Council was the
appropriate place to handle the matter. Elisabeth was asked to redraft the

Item 3 AOB

Harold Feld suggested that the Names Council replies to the Department of
Commerce's renewal of the Memorandum of Understanding and the fundamental
points that have already been discussed in the Names Council and not taken
into account, should be revisited.

Marilyn Cade suggested that there be a discussion on the Role of Governments
saying that there was a shift of some governments about the role of

Bruce Tonkin requested that Harold Feld and Marilyn Cade create discussion
documents and post to the council list prior to discussion at the names
council meeting in Shanghai.

Bruce Tonkin thanked everyone for their participation.

Next NC teleconference will be on Thursday October 3, 2002, 15:00 Paris
time, 13:00 UTC/GMT

     See all past agendas and minutes at
     and calendar of the NC meetings at

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