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Re: [wg-b] Re: ICANN's Mandate

And if I don't like the taxi service, I can call a large number
of *unregulated* services that compete directly.  For example,
I can engage high-end services such as limousine rental, or
low-end services such as "shuttles" that will take me to my destination
if I don't mind sharing with folks.  Some vendors in completely unrelated
services can bundle transportation (e.g., hotels and convention
centers provide transportation to specific points) or I can rent
equipment and do it myself (car rental).

Now suppose that all transportation from the airport *had* to be by licensed
carrier.  You could not even drive your own car to the airport
without getting "certified" as a common airport carrier.  Worse, part of this
certification means agreeing to let the certifying authority charge you
(but they promise they won't) take your vehicle number and any other
information they want (to help police catch speeders, but we promise not
to abuse it), to give up your car at anytime (but only if you do something
so bad you don't *deserve* a car), and anything else they desire.

Now also imagine that the decision on whether to even *allow*
you to get a license to get to the airport was made by some secret committee
of taxi drivers who, oddly enough, don't *like* anyone other than taxi
drivers driving to the airport.

The Internet was built to the 100,000,000 user size it is,
completely with unaccredited registrars.


eileen kent wrote:

> I thought that when NSI agreed to register with ICANN that the biggest
> impediment to ICANN's mandate was removed. As ICANN has announced what
> registrars they have accredited, I must admit I was not totally conscious
> of the fact that it was possible to do business without being accredited.
> Who would want to deal with an unaccredited registrar? Isn't this a little
> like a driver's license? As a consumer I know that if I get in a taxi line
> in any major airport in the U.S. that the driver will have a license and
> will be compelled to charge me some kind of standardized rate. Whereas if I
> arrive at  many airports in the Carribean or in Africa or in South America
> I can take an "official" taxi or I can negotiate a ride with one of the
> many unofficial drivers. I'm pretty biased toward the official guy. And if
> I were a taxi driver and I had agreed to follow the rules and wait in the
> rank and charge the right price, I wouldn't look too fondly on the
> unregulated competition, either.
> I hope the analogy isn't too strained but I believe the internet needs to
> be regulated. How would an unaccredited registrar get access to the root? I
> understood that even the accredited registrars could not do business
> without the cooperation of NSI. Now that NSI is accredited why would they
> cooperate with someone who wouldn't agree to be accredited?
> We're talking about real basics--the "Rules of the Road" so to speak.
> There's got to be a central authority and it seems to be ICANN. So I agree
> with Harald who is persuasive and succinct as usual.
> If this is off-topic, I apologize to the chair. I will not post again
> unless specifically addressing famous names issues.
> Eileen Kent
> As a consumer, I'm not getting a t At 08:26 AM 10/14/99 +0200, you wrote:
> >At 01:54 13.10.99 -0700, Roeland M.J. Meyer wrote:
> >>This is exactly my point Esther. There is no compulsion for a registry to
> >>signup with ICANN. If they don't, then such exclusions are not binding for
> >>the simple reason that there is no contract. ICANN had a special leverage
> >>over NSI, due to the nature of the NSI contract with DOC and then only
> >>because the DOC cooperated with ICANN. Other registries, such as WEB and
> >>SuperRoot, are under no such compulsion and ICANN has substantially less
> >>leverage.
> >
> >(I'm limiting my response to WG-B, Esther knows this)
> >
> >While true (no compulsion), it is also meaningless.
> >There is great incentive in the fact that ICANN has been charged with the
> >orderly management of the only root that has any useful function in today's
> >Internet.
> >
> >See http://www.iab.org/iab/IAB-Technical-Comment.txt
> >
> >                   Harald
> >--
> >Harald Tveit Alvestrand, Maxware, Norway
> >Harald.Alvestrand@maxware.no
> >
> >
> >

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