DNSO Names Council Teleconference on 6 June 2002 - minutes
10 June 2002.
Proposed agenda and related documents http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20020502.NCteleconf-agenda.html
List of attendees:
Peter de Blanc ccTLD absent, apologies, proxy to Oscar Robles/ Elisabeth Porteneuve Elisabeth Porteneuve ccTLD Oscar Robles Garay ccTLD Philip Sheppard Business Marilyn Cade Business Grant Forsyth Business Greg Ruth ISPCP Antonio Harris ISPCP Tony Holmes ISPCP absent, apologies proxy to Tony Harris Philipp Grabensee Registrars absent, Ken Stubbs Registrars Bruce Tonkin Registrars Roger Cochetti gTLD Richard Tindal gTLD absent, Cary Karp gTLD absent, apologies, proxy to Roger Cochetti, Richard Tindall Ellen Shankman IP Laurence Djolakian IP J. Scott Evans IP Harold Feld NCDNH absent, Chun Eung Hwi NCDNH absent, Erick Iriate NCDNH absent,
13 Names Council Members
Thomas Roessler GA Chair Alexander Svensson GA Alternate Chair Glen de Saint Géry NC Secretary Alix Guillard MP3 Recording Engineer/Secretariat
MP3 recording of the meeting by the Secretariat: http://www.dnso.org/dnso/mp3/20020606.NCteleconf.mp3
Quorum present at 15:10 (all times reported are CET which is UTC + 2 during summer time in the northern hemisphere).
Philip Sheppard chaired this NC teleconference.
Approval of the Agenda
An additional item was added to the agenda:
Status report regarding Deletions, Solutions, and WLS.
Prepared by Marilyn Cade, Chair
Transfer Task Force
The agenda was approved.
Item 1. Summary of last meeting:
J. Scott Evans moved the adoption of the summaries, seconded by Ken Stubbs
The motion was carried. There were two abstentions: Elisabeth Porteneuve and Peter de Blanc for whom Elisabeth Porteneuve was holding a proxy vote.
Decision 1: Motion adopted.
Item 1: Transfer Task Force status report.
Council was asked by the Board in a resolution to transfer to the Transfer
Task Force a request for assessment on deletions, solutions and wait listing
service. The Status report gives the background and the summary of documents
gathered so far. Comments were submitted by the Intellectual Property Constituency,
the Business Constituency, the General Assembly, individuals and two open conference
calls and a public forum published by ICANN. On June 10 a version will be set up for public comment and
Council members should send the report to their constituencies for comment.
The Names Council should vote on it in Bucharest. The actual recommendations
will be put forward to the Board at the Bucharest meeting on Thursday 27 June,
Item 2 - Discussion on Nominating Committee proposals from ICANN evolution
committee and others.
Philip Sheppard set out the process to be followed: He proposed the Chair
draft a formal response to the last paper from the ICANN evolution and reform
The Names Council's work to date allows a response to many issues in the document
. It was agreed the Chair will write a draft for e-mail comment and subsequent approval during the next teleconference
on June 17.
In comparing the NC recommendations to the Committee's paper, Philip Sheppard said that the fundamental difference was a top-down approach recommended by the evolution committee and the continuation of a bottom-up approach in the Names Council recommendations. The main categories in which the top down approach is happening are threefold:
1. The composition of the Board
1.1 Today the policy development bodies (like the old DNSO) elect 9 board seats. In the proposal they elect none. Instead a nominating committee (nomcomm) choose 3 board representatives to represent the policy development bodies.
1.2 In addition the nominating committee appoints some or all other Board members.
1.3 There maybe some board seats available for advisory bodies such as the Security Advisory Body (SAC). But the SAC rep on the Board will be a Board appointee.
2. Composition of the nominating committee (a circular endorsement process)
2.1 There is a suggestion that the Board "ratify" the people proposed to form the nominating committee who in turn appoint the Board.
3. Control of the policy development organisations
3.1. The Board appoints the chair of each of the policy development organisations who is then also a Board member.
3.2 The steering committee of the policy development organisations (such as the old Names Council) will also have "an appropriate number" of nomcomm appointed members.
Philip Sheppard questioned the reasoning behind an objective to divorce
policy development from Board seats. This maybe a theory that the Names Council
had an incentive to resist new NC constituencies because this would dilute the 1
in 7 influence the Constituencies have in electing three board seats. He said
this seemed absurd. Conversely, if this was the incentive, constituencies should
be actively seeking allies to join as new constituencies and so expand their
slim chance of a board seat.
Marilyn Cade noted that there was no evidence of a learning process reflected in the committee documents. Most of the people who built ICANN are not involved in the reform process. She stressed the importance of an evolutionary approach that was focused. The right approach was more staff, better procedures and tight timelines. She added that the At-Large effort meets the public interest concerns of governments.
Elisabeth Porteneuve agreed with Marilyn Cade and added that ICANN had never given any help to the DNSO. ICANN was set up for gTLD issues. Although the ccTLDs never had a strong voice, they contributed expertise at national level. They are in favour of evolution, and at the moment are working on ICANN's mission and looking at the common denominators in the various regions. They are seeking to identify those functions that cannot be replaced by another structure (such as the IANA functions).
Thomas Roessler agreed with the previous viewpoints but added that precision was lacking in the reform proposals. The areas that were particularly vague or problematic were:
- ICANN mission statement
- Steering group members, what kind, their role?
- Volunteers with special backgrounds were heavily relied on but not funded.
- Advisory committees with a chair with a vote on the board is not a good idea.
- Advisory bodies with ex officio board seats would be a disincentive to create future advisory bodies and so deprive the board of expertise.
Ken Stubbs echoed a concern expressed by Joe Sims that from the consumer's perspective there was a blurring with regard to websites which were geographic ccTLDs and those that acted as generic TLDs. He called for a methodology in bringing about uniformity. Elisabeth Porteneuve responded adding that concern was expressed about registrars' resellers who were anonymous.
Philip Sheppard proposed the following recommendations:
1. There should be consistent criteria for participation in ICANN policy development bodies. Among such criteria there should be the obligation to abide by ICANN policies.
This proposal was not acceptable to the ccTLDs except on a technical level.
It was decided to defer debate for the time being.
2. Board members for Policy development bodies
The four policy development bodies, ccTLD, gTLD, addressing and protocol should elect an equal number of board members.
Recommendation accepted by all.
3. A nominating committee should select a quota of board seats which will be less than or equal to that number elected from the policy development bodies.
Voting was as follows:7 In favour, 4 Against, 2 Abstentions.
The recommendation was carried.
The ISPCPC wishes their derogation to be recorded, the ccTLDs are not in favour of a nominating committee.
The council then discussed the possible composition of a nominating
committee. Bruce Tonkin addressed the Registrars proposal. There should be 15 Members of the
nominating committee made up as follows:
5 from the At-Large group
5 from the User groups
5 from the suppliers
Thomas Roessler raised the concern that it would be a duplication of the board and an extension of the Names Council structure. He stated that there should be different mechanisms for board election, and no mechanism determining more than half of the board seats. Asked by Philip Sheppard what the constructive role of the nominating committee would be, he replied that the DNSO/GNSO would not have strong user, consumer and public interest and it would be the task of the nominating committee to balance this.
In answer to the question: "Would the GA be happy with a number of seats that could at a future point be
taken away and eventually be given to the At-Large?" Thomas replied that the GA would want elections
now and later clarified his view by e-mail.
Laurence commented that the IP consistency was in favour of the nominating committee but that there should be a charter detailing criteria for membership and its selections.
Ken Stubbs reminded Council that ICANN will only work in the future if there is supporting personnel. All problems up to now are related to resources. Council agreed and the chair agreed to emphasise this point in future communications.
Philip Sheppard agreed to enquire of the ICANN Budget Committee why the $170 000 proposed by ICANN staff had not gone forward in the budget recommended for Board adoption in Bucharest.
Thomas Roessler commented on the committee's proposed arbitration process, saying that although he supported this, a mechanism was needed to ensure low-funded groups could use arbitration. Council agreed. Bruce Tonkin proposed that the office of the ombudsman should have a budget for this. Council agreed to revisit Recommendation 15 in light of the preferred proposals for arbitration and an expanded role for the ombudsman.
Philip Sheppard concluded by saying that he would draft a reply to the ICANN committee that should be commented on by e-mail and be adopted during the next teleconference to which he would invite the evaluation committee.
The teleconference ended at 16:50
Next NC teleconference June 17 at 15:00 Paris time, 13:00 UTC.
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