From: owner-wg-c-digest@dnso.org (WG-C-DIGEST) To: wg-c-digest@dnso.org Subject: WG-C-DIGEST V1 #109 Reply-To: Sender: owner-wg-c-digest@dnso.org Errors-To: owner-wg-c-digest@dnso.org Precedence: bulk WG-C-DIGEST Friday, November 24 2000 Volume 01 : Number 109 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:02:00 -0500 From: Jonathan Weinberg Subject: [wg-c] three bounced messages From: "Judith Oppenheimer" To: "'Cade,Marilyn S - LGA'" , "'Robert F. Connelly'" , "'Registrar Constituency'" , "'nSI Registrars Mailing List'" , , Subject: RE: [wg-b] RE: [wg-c] How's this for spamming by a RegistraR? Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:24:29 -0500 > Thanks, Bob, for sending this. I agree that this isn't the > kind of behavior > which should be encouraged, or allowed. Marilyn Marilyn, I suppose the delete key notwithstanding, I could potentially agree with you (I do recollect not-too-dissimilar AT&T spams here and there, just fyi ...) 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All rights reserved. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------ From: "Will Donaldson \(.$\)" To: "Dave Crocker" , References: <5.0.0.25.2.20001121010247.00a2b070@pop3.norton.antivirus> <5.0.1.4.2.20001120185822.04242150@mail.bayarea.net> Subject: Re: [wg-c] telephone numbers in domain names. Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 23:20:01 -0500 Dave, Forget phone numbers. What about going one step further to make this a commerce navigation service vice a TLD? It ensures the names are not diluted by first-come first served cyber squatters like .com has been and .biz will be. computers.$ turkey.$ shoes.$ television.$ digitalcamera.$ Sony.$ travel.$ football.$ IBM.$ When you use the .$ designation, it identifies commerce, and not a portal page or personal website. So if you type in product.$ you get products, categorized and easily sorted. Not junk. Not broken links. Not porn. Just commerce listings for that "product." If a brand name is provided, it will only return products from that specific company/brand, which requires proof of right to prevent cybersquatting. Also presented by geographic location, if desired. Direct DesigNation.com started this last year and was installed on the #2 ISP in Canada, 3web, with nearly 1/2 million users. We hired RedHat and they fixed the technical limitations of BIND to make the service work on any BIND with minor config editing. Since there are foreign characters being implemented into the DNS namespace, the .$ character restrictions will soon be relieved, thus making it a prime candidate not as a TLD, but as an e-commerce service provided by a single company outside the scope of Verisign/NetSol which will work on any ISP. ICANN's Esther Dyson said ICANN didn't need to get involved, as we were not on a root server. Will Donaldson CEO http://DirectDesignation.com whateveryouwant.$ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------------- From: "Judith Oppenheimer" To: "'Harald Alvestrand'" , "'Robert F. Connelly'" , Cc: "'NSI Registrars Mailing List'" , , , Subject: RE: [wg-b] Re: [wg-c] telephone numbers in domain names. Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:25:29 -0500 There are obvious benefits of keeping ENUM out of ICANN's clutches, but (a) the IETF ENUM working group's leadership contains people from Verisign and NeuStar and others no doubt too, who are or will be competing with Pulver/NetNumber for commercial supremacy in the ENUM marketplace: note ENUM's rush to strike a deal with the ITU, literally just weeks ago, questioned by some ENUM followers, and (b), that rosy ITU path is not without thorns ... for example, "1.e164.arpa" represents an area that's actually shared between several North American countries; even within the US, the delegation to the ITU is managed by the State Department while the regulation of telephony is managed by the FCC. (At the area code level its no better. Who has authority over "2.1.2.1.e164.arpa"? Is this the New York State public utilities commission, Verizon, or a third party? Still further, a potential use of ENUM is to bypass the local carrier, for example to send documents as e-mail instead of faxes; this means, potentially, a loss of revenues. So while the users of phone numbers have an interest in listing their numbers, the phone companies are conflicted.) Bottom line: the IAB/IETF/ITU alliance against Pulver/NetNumber's .TEL is business, not altruism. Judith Judith Oppenheimer, 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert Publisher, http://www.ICBTollFreeNews.com President, http://www.1800TheExpert.com FREE 800/Domain Classifieds, http://ICBclassifieds.com Domain Name & 800 News, Intelligence, Analysis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 11:22:59 -0800 From: Dave Crocker Subject: Re: [wg-c] three bounced messages At 02:02 PM 11/22/00 -0500, "Judith Oppenheimer" wrote: >Bottom line: the IAB/IETF/ITU alliance against Pulver/NetNumber's .TEL is >business, not altruism. Actually, the IETF-related concerns are with engineering and operations, not busines, politics or altruism. Like domain names, telephone numbers require unique resolution. Multiple resolution mechanisms means that what you find out depends on who you ask. That would mean that using +1.408.246.8253 might resolve to Brandenburg Consulting or it might resolve to someone else. Such an ambiguity renders the utility of a global labeling scheme pretty much useless. d/ =-=-=-=-= Dave Crocker Brandenburg Consulting Tel: +1.408.246.8253, Fax: +1.408.273.6464 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:55:43 +0100 From: Harald Alvestrand Subject: RE: [wg-b] Re: [wg-c] telephone numbers in domain names. At 13:25 22/11/2000 -0500, Judith Oppenheimer wrote: >There are obvious benefits of keeping ENUM out of ICANN's clutches, but > >(a) the IETF ENUM working group's leadership contains people from Verisign >and NeuStar and others no doubt too, who are or will be competing with >Pulver/NetNumber for commercial supremacy in the ENUM marketplace: note >ENUM's rush to strike a deal with the ITU, literally just weeks ago, >questioned by some ENUM followers, The details of this issue can be inspected in http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-itu-sg2-liason-enum-00.txt The enum working group chair is Richard Shockley, who has a Netcom address. The published RFC 2916 was written by Patrik Fältström of Cisco. I'm not sure what you mean by "leadership".... >and (b), that rosy ITU path is not without thorns ... for example, >"1.e164.arpa" represents an area that's actually shared between several >North American countries; even within the US, the delegation to the ITU is >managed by the State Department while the regulation of telephony is >managed by the FCC. actually I believe the "1" number space is managed by NeuStar, and that NeuStar was created (many years ago) expressly for the purpose of managing this number space. >(At the area code level its no better. Who has authority over >"2.1.2.1.e164.arpa"? Is this the New York State public utilities >commission, Verizon, or a third party? probably you would have to ask NeuStar which telephone company [0..9].2.1.2.e164.arpa is assigned to; I believe numbers are handed out to companies in blocks of 10.000 or so. > Still further, a potential use of >ENUM is to bypass the local carrier, for example to send documents as >e-mail instead of faxes; this means, potentially, a loss of revenues. So >while the users of phone numbers have an interest in listing their numbers, >the phone companies are conflicted.) the easiest way to do this is of course to publish your email address instead of your fax number; enum is intended for the case where you for some reason have a number, and no email address. I believe the common case here is where you wish to reach the net/phone gateway that provides service to this number; I have no idea how the business models of such gateways will work out, but one possibility is that the subscriber gets the ability to be reached from an IP phone as part of his normal telephone subscription. In that case, the management hierarchy proposed by the ITU makes sense. >Bottom line: the IAB/IETF/ITU alliance against Pulver/NetNumber's .TEL is >business, not altruism. I have nothing against pulver's business model; all I've said about that is that they don't need the .tel domain to pursue it. It sure made a lot more sense than the other proposals for .tel! - -- Harald Tveit Alvestrand, alvestrand@cisco.com +47 41 44 29 94 Personal email: Harald@Alvestrand.no ------------------------------ End of WG-C-DIGEST V1 #109 **************************