From: owner-wg-c-digest@dnso.org (WG-C-DIGEST) To: wg-c-digest@dnso.org Subject: WG-C-DIGEST V1 #14 Reply-To: Sender: owner-wg-c-digest@dnso.org Errors-To: owner-wg-c-digest@dnso.org Precedence: bulk WG-C-DIGEST Monday, February 21 2000 Volume 01 : Number 014 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:00:18 -0500 From: Jonathan Weinberg Subject: [wg-c] reposted for Tim Vienneau From: Tim Vienneau To: wg-c@dnso.org Subject: RE: [wg-c] Re: nine principles for domain names Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:57:44 -0800 My comments preceded by ## Principles affecting the relationship between a gTLD Registry operator and those who may register 1. Certainty: a gTLD should give the net user confidence that it stands for what it purports to stand for, ##which may be nothing. There should be some provision for the continuance of a gTLD in the event the registry fails as an ongoing entity, such as a directory standard for the transfer of registry data to another entity. 2. Honesty - a gTLD should not unnecessarily increase opportunities for malicious or criminal elements who wish to defraud net users. [From: "Ross Wm. Rader" ] > 3. Simplicity - a gTLD should not "impose" an overly bureaucratic procedure > on a registry. > I'm not clear on how a name can increase/decrease complexity for registry operators. If you are saying that ICANN should not impose burdensome guidelines for registry operators, I might agree, but you aren't being clear. [end clip] ## This is something that needs to be defined in the scope of item 2 of the agenda, [Jonathan Weinberg [weinberg@mail.msen.com]] Kent suggested that it would have been desirable to develop a reference model detailing different possible structures for the ICANN-registry-registrar relationship, describing the possible models for a "registry"; [end clip] Principles effecting the relationship between Registries 4. Differentiation - a gTLD should differentiate from all other gTLDs so as not to confuse net users. 5. Competition - new gTLDs should foster competition in the domain name space. 6. Diversity - new gTLDs should foster the expression of views, both commercial and non-commercial. Timothy Vienneau Chief Technology Officer Cutler Group, LP San Francisco, USA (415) 217-3410 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:45:37 -0500 From: Eric Brunner Subject: Re: [wg-c] Re: nine principles for domain names There are two charters these criteria could be applied to: the EU's, implicit in the request for comments, not to mention all the heated (American) Euro bashing that followed, and the NAA's, implicit in the prelude to and body of Position Paper E, not to mention all the heated (American) minorities and Indians bashing that followed. If these criteria have utility, they can be applied in to the benefit of TLD applicants, to clarify and improve the text of their charter. If the Sheppard/Kleiman bullets can't be applied to existing charter applications, do they matter or are they a refinement on the marks position that no new aterritorial gTLDs are needed? If the Sheppard/Kleiman bullets can't be applied to existing charter applications, do they matter or are they a refinement on the market position that no specific new gTLDs are needed? The subject area is full of nuances and private little linguistic ambushes. Decoding the Sheppard/Kleiman bullets is unnecessarily difficult as a collective exercise if there is no text common to all to which the apparent sense of some criteria can be applied. Cheers, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:35:58 +0100 From: "Petter Rindforth" Subject: [wg-c] STRAW POLL This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF797E.36FAA7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable These are my votes: Question One: 3 Question Two: 2 Question Three: 2 Petter Rindforth - ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF797E.36FAA7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
These are my votes:
 
Question One: 3
 
Question Two: 2
 
Question Three: 2
 
Petter Rindforth
- ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BF797E.36FAA7A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:28:13 +0100 From: "Philip Sheppard" Subject: Re: [wg-c] Re: nine principles for domain names Thanks for recent comment on the nine principles/ criteria. Allow me to provide some answers to the points raised. 1. We do believe that the assumption that all gTLDs will/should stand for something is valid. The alternative is to not bother with a gTLD and use only the IP address. The moment you adopt the idea of gTLDs the net user will believe they stand for something. To give anything a name is to endow identity. If anyone believes in a system that does not endow identity they should argue for IP address only. 2. The intent of the simplicity principle is indeed to avoid registries having burdensome procedures imposed on them. It does not exclude a registry opting for a validation procedure. I have improved the wording and shifted the numbering - see below. 3. The reason for the semantics principle containing "meaningful with a significant number of net users" is intended to distinguish the global nature of a gTLD versus the ccTLD. A domain name with a less than significant number of net users would be better suited to a sub domain within a ccTLD or a language charter gTLD. 4. Findability. Net users today use a gTLD as a means of finding. Dot com, .edu, .mil are classifications and net users use classifications to find things. It is the same for the ccTLDs. This principle does not say there are not better ways of finding things (there are and we recognise there will be much better tools in the future) but it recognises the way net users use gTLDs. Net users will no longer have a Findability need when Findability is met by other means but not before. We will be happy to delete this principle at that time. 5. Multiplicity. This is clearly a principle of intent not one for the basis of choosing how many and when. It expresses an intent for a future. It is to be read in conjunction with the other principles. 6. Defining net user widely is indeed dangerous. Typically we refer to a non-specialist public. The request to include "and registrars" was an attempt to be inclusive but perhaps it is clearer not to make this "and dont forget us" statement. See changes below. 7. The idea to apply the principles to the dot EU proposal is a good one and will be attempted. 8. The principles are intended to help move the process rapidly forward to the creation of new gTLDs. Based on new input received here follows a new amendment to the principles. - ------------------------------------------------------------- Criteria for assessing a gTLD registry operator application, subject to current technical constraints and evolving technical opportunities, should be based on all the following principles : Principles affecting the relationship between a gTLD Registry operator and those who may register 1. Certainty: a gTLD should give the net user confidence that it stands for what it purports to stand for. 2. Honesty – a gTLD should not unnecessarily increase opportunities for malicious or criminal elements who wish to defraud net users. Principles effecting the relationship between Registries 3. Differentiation – a gTLD should differentiate from all other gTLDs so as not to confuse net users. 4. Competition – new gTLDs should foster competition in the domain name space. 5. Diversity - new gTLDs should foster the expression of views, both commercial and non-commercial. Principles with query resolution and character encoding implications 6. Semantics – a gTLD should be meaningful in a language with a significant number of net users. 7. Findability – a gTLD should assist a net user to find a particular domain name. Other principles 8. Multiplicity - new gTLDs should become available as needed to meet the needs of an expanding Internet community. 9. Simplicity - adherence of the above principles should not impose an overly bureaucratic procedure on a registry. Philip ------------------------------ End of WG-C-DIGEST V1 #14 *************************