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Re: [registrars] PersonalNames.com
Hey Guys (of course I am including Elana)
I will be in DC for the meeting, so looking forward
to the chance of interacting with you guys a little
more real time. By the time I read the entire thread
I have no f@*@*ng idea how to participate...
Were you guys agreeing or disagreeing? I can't tell
the difference anymore!
Ciao
Richard
Elana Broitman wrote:
> I would support Mike's deliberate course of action, as long as we can
> get this done without delay. Perhaps we should aim for final vote at DC
> meeting?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael D. Palage [mailto:michael@palage.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:07 PM
> To: ross@tucows.com; Elana Broitman; tim@godaddy.com; wessorh@ar.com
> Cc: registrars@dnso.org
> Subject: RE: [registrars] PersonalNames.com
>
>
> Hello All:
>
> I have to finish finalizing plans for the DC meeting.
>
> Rushing a by-law amendment through when the Constituency By-laws need to be
> rewritten from the ground-up and then submitted to ICANN for approval this
> July in connection the reorganization is not in my view a productive use of
> time. But I am not going to oppose it.
>
> Trying to be a diplomate in this process. If we pass the by-law amendment
> next week, then we would have to exclude Hakon from participating in the
> constituency. In such case PersonalNames is likely to appoint a person that
> was not a director that would just posting emails on Hakon behalf. The
> proposed by-law amendment is not exactly air tight to prevent the concerns
> raised by some members.
>
>
> My proposed course of action is as follows:
>
> (1) Schedule a constituency call with GNR, PersonalNames and the Registrar
> Constituency to voice our concerns and understand why they felt this
> marketing move was necessary; Based on Elana's previous post I will try to
> set this up for Friday or Monday.
> (2) Ask Hakon to voluntarily designate another representative to the
> constituency that does not meet the criteria of Ross' modified motion;
> (3) After discussing this matter with GNR, PersonalNames, and Hakon then we
> can decide how to incorporate this proposed by-law amendment into a by-law
> rewrite.
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> > Behalf Of Ross Wm. Rader
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 5:27 PM
> > To: 'Elana Broitman'; tim@godaddy.com; wessorh@ar.com
> > Cc: registrars@dnso.org
> > Subject: RE: [registrars] PersonalNames.com
> >
> >
> > I'm cool with Tim's amendment and this subsequent revision Elana. Per
> > Rick's most recent message, we should probably let things percolate a
> > little bit through more discussion, but I don't see any reason why we
> > shouldn't submit this or something similar to the Excomm in time for
> > their Monday call.
> >
> >
> > -rwr
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an
> > idiot."
> > - Steven Wright
> >
> > Get Blog... http://www.byte.org/blog
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org] On
> > Behalf Of Elana Broitman
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:33 PM
> > To: 'tim@godaddy.com'; ross@tucows.com; wessorh@ar.com
> > Cc: registrars@dnso.org
> > Subject: RE: [registrars] PersonalNames.com
> >
> >
> > Tim - I would offer a friendly amendment to your language to keep it
> > within the more narrow relm proposed by Ross, as follows:
> >
> > "... that any officer, employee, or board director of any ICANN
> > recognized
> > gTLD registry in the possession of or with access to registry
> > >Proprietary Information
> > >(http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/name/registry-agmt-apph-06mar01.h
> > tm#A-
> > >3.1 in the case of GNR) or Registry Sensitive Information
> > >(http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/name/registry-agmt-apph-06mar01.h
> > tm#A- not be permitted to participate in this constituency at any level,
> > in any capacity, for a period of one year since holding such position
> > and that our by-laws be amended to reflect this."
> > Regards, Elana
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Ruiz [mailto:tim@godaddy.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 2:29 PM
> > To: ross@tucows.com; wessorh@ar.com
> > Cc: registrars@dnso.org
> > Subject: RE: [registrars] PersonalNames.com
> >
> >
> > What about something like this:
> > "... that any officer, employee, or board director of any ICANN
> > recognized
> > gTLD registry not be permitted to participate in this constituency at
> > any
> > level, in any capacity, for a period of one year since holding such
> > position
> > and that our by-laws be amended to reflect this."
> > Tim
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@tucows.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:36 AM
> > To: tim@godaddy.com; 'Rick Wesson'
> > Cc: registrars@dnso.org
> > Subject: RE: [registrars] PersonalNames.com
> >
> >
> >
> > > Like it or not, there will never again be a clear distinction
> > > between registrars and registries. We are all in this to make
> > > a profit. While I don't want people involved on this list, or
> > > in the RC, that have intimate, confidential knowledge of our
> > > businesses, I also don't want to preclude a legitimate party
> > > from being able to participate.
> > Tim - if this has been lost in the exchange somewhere, let me clarify
> > for the record - this is *precisely* the sentiment and intent of the
> > motion. I believe that it strikes an appropriate balance between these
> > two competing dynamics to the benefit of the constituency.
> > If there is a clearer way to word it, I am open to friendly amendments
> > of the motion.
> >
> >
> > -rwr
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an
> > idiot."
> > - Steven Wright
> > Get Blog... http://www.byte.org/blog
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-registrars@dnso.org
> > > [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:46 AM
> > > To: Rick Wesson; Ross Wm. Rader
> > > Cc: registrars@dnso.org
> > > Subject: RE: [registrars] PersonalNames.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Rick,
> > >
> > > > completely within our capabilities to clearly separate
> > > registrars from
> > > > those that work for registries
> > >
> > > That I don't think I agree with. If that is where this is
> > > leading then I would object. I don't want this list, and the
> > > RC that represents my business interests, captured by a group
> > > of mostly small registrars promoting their own agenda.
> > >
> > > Like it or not, there will never again be a clear distinction
> > > between registrars and registries. We are all in this to make
> > > a profit. While I don't want people involved on this list, or
> > > in the RC, that have intimate, confidential knowledge of our
> > > businesses, I also don't want to preclude a legitimate party
> > > from being able to participate.
> > >
> > > I see no member of the RC or this list who I would object to
> > > participating.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> > > Behalf Of Rick Wesson
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:09 AM
> > > To: Ross Wm. Rader
> > > Cc: registrars@dnso.org
> > > Subject: Re: [registrars] PersonalNames.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ross,
> > >
> > > I support this position. I believe that it is completely
> > > within our capabilities to clearly separate registrars from
> > > those that work for registries and to have this constituency
> > > membership only reflect registrars intrests.
> > >
> > > best,
> > >
> > > -rick
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Ross Wm. Rader wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would like to formally move that any representative of any ICANN
> > > > recognized gTLD registry in the possession of or with access to
> > > > registry Proprietary Information
> > > >
> > > (http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/name/registry-agmt-apph-
> > > 06mar01.htm#A-
> > > > 3.1 in the case of GNR) or Registry Sensitive Information
> > > >
> > > (http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/name/registry-agmt-apph-
> > > 06mar01.htm#A-
> > > > 3.2 also in the case of GNR) not be permitted to
> > > participate in this
> > > > constituency at any level, in any capacity, for a period of
> > > one year
> > > > since the last receipt of such information and that our by-laws be
> > > > amended to reflect this.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Ross Wm. Rader
> > > > Tucows Inc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Michael D. Palage" <michael@palage.com>
> > > > To: <registrars@dnso.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:26 AM
> > > > Subject: [registrars] PersonalNames.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > As PersonalNames is now an ICANN accredited registrar they are
> > > > > eligible
> > > to
> > > > > subscribe to the registrar mailing list, and they have asked to be
> >
> > > added.
> > > > To
> > > > > date PersonalNames has not paid any membership dues so it is not
> > > eligible
> > > > to
> > > > > vote in any constituency matters.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yesterday there were several posts asking the Registrar Executive
> > > > Committee
> > > > > to schedule a call with PersonalNames. Although the Executive
> > > > > Committee stands ready to assist the constituency in this
> > > matter, I
> > > > > believe that
> > > > some
> > > > > dialogue between PersonalNames and the rest of the registrar
> > > > > community
> > > > might
> > > > > make any such call more productive.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only PersonalNames representative that has asked to join the
> > > registrar
> > > > > mailing list to date is Hakon Haugnes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael D. Palage
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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