RE: [registrars] whois lookup

["Tom Chaffin" <tchaffin@stargateinc.com>]

Ken,

Your making the assumption that I can still contact the client via e-mail.
If the email address is no longer valid how am I to contact the registrant?
I can't imagine the losing registrar would continue to provide email
services after the domain has been transferred.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Stubbs [mailto:kstubbs@digitel.net]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:18 PM
To: Tom Chaffin; Registrars@Dnso. Org
Subject: Re: [registrars] whois lookup


i would think it would be "incumbent" on any gaining registrar to request
that the registrant "re-affirm" the whois data on any domain transferred .

its only good business and would also provide the "acquiring registrar" a
sound opportunity to market additional "value-added" services to their new
customer

ken stubbs


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Chaffin" <tchaffin@stargateinc.com>
To: "Registrars@Dnso. Org" <registrars@dnso.org>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:57 PM
Subject: RE: [registrars] whois lookup


> How would the gaining registrar deal with the inaccuracy of the data?  The
> admin e-mail address the gaining registrar has on file, at the time the
> transfer was requested, would now be incorrect, right?  As the gaining
> registrar I would be unable to communicate with the registrant beyond the
> first week.  That is assuming the registrant does not update their contact
> information to reflect the correct e-mail address after the transfer has
> been approved.
>
> Tom
> Stargate
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-registrars@dnso.org [mailto:owner-registrars@dnso.org]On
> Behalf Of Paul Stahura
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 1:19 PM
> To: Registrars@Dnso. Org
> Subject: RE: [registrars] whois lookup
>
>
> Just like with illegal drugs, there is the supply-side and the
demand-side.
> What Ken is talking about below is the demand-side.
> He makes valid point that I happen to agree with.
>
> An additional way of limiting the abuse is on the supply-side.
> We are contemplating implementing an "whois-email-address-changer"
> service whereby the email addresses in eNom's port-43 output
> will be dynamic.  I forget which other registrar is already doing this
> (or soimething similar) (please tell me if you know which one)
> This service will change the outputted email addresses to something like:
> "thisaddrwillexpirein24hours.code1234567890@whoisemailforwarder.com"
> all email sent to this address will be forwarded to the real address.
> These addresses will be valid for a period of time
> (like 24 hours, or a week) at which time it will never be used again.
> This gives registrars enough time to send xfer notices (or whatever
> "good" purposes we use the info for), yet
> would then invalidate any abuser's scrapped whois information
> every 24-hours.
> The real addresses will still be publically available in our web-based
> whois,
> just like it is now.  (email addrs are outputted as a gif images there
> which is harder to grab/parse, since you need OCR to do so).
>
> Comments?
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Stubbs [mailto:kstubbs@digitel.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 5:29 AM
> To: Ross Wm. Rader; Registrars@Dnso. Org
> Subject: Re: [registrars] whois lookup
>
>
>
>
> I would assume that this kind of behavior I described  would affect ALL
> registrar's image and would be sanctioned under any proposed registrar
"code
> of conduct" .
>
> improper registrar actions towards outside parties (be they their own
> customers, other registrars customers or registries) can influence
outsiders
> views of our "constituents" and that is of paramount concern to me.
>
> I am frankly tired of people using  the improper actions of a few
registrars
> to "paint" all registrars.
>
> if we want to have future creditability for our constituency, then we need
> to be willing to "step up to the plate" and deal difficult issues like
this
> which affect our respective business image..
>
> any registrar who uses improper & unethical  business practices to
> "advantage" themselves in the marketplace needs to be "strongly
sanctioned"
> and the issues I raise most definitely fall within this area.
>
> ken stubbs
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ross Wm. Rader" <ross@tucows.com>
> To: "Ken Stubbs" <kstubbs@digitel.net>; "Bhavin Turakhia"
> <bhavin.t@directi.com>; "Registrars@Dnso. Org" <registrars@dnso.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [registrars] whois lookup
>
>
> >
> >
> > > how do you suggest we deal with registrars who intentionally data mine
> the
> > > "thick registries "
> > >
> > >
> > > ken stubbs
> >
> > That's a problem for the registries to deal with. Let us instead concern
> > ourselves with data mining of registrars under the thin model...each of
us
> > are directly effected...
> >
> > -rwr
> >
> >
> >
>
>