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RE: [nc-imp] Transfer Implementation Committee minutes Jan.8, 2003

One clarification: The soonest that .com and .net would be migrated to EPP
would be the end of 2003 and even if that happens that would probably only
be for a subset of registrars.  Migration of all registrars probably
wouldn't happen until mid-2004 at the earliest.


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Subject: [nc-imp] Transfer Implementation Committee minutes Jan.8, 2003


 GNSO Council Transfer Implementation Committee Teleconference on 8 January




Registrar - Bruce Tonkin
Registrar - Nikolaj Nyholm
Registrar - Tim Ruiz
Registrar - Ross Rader
Registrar - Donna McGehee"
Registrar - Elana Broitman"
Registry - Jeff Neuman
Registry - Chuck Gomes
Registry - Andrew Sullivan
Registry - Bruce Beckwith
User Rep - Grant Forsyth
UserRep - David Safran

Clarification: Grant Forsyth and David Safran are liaisons from the
Transfers Task Force with an end user perspective, and are able to provide
any clarifications sought by registries and registrars on the intent of the
task force behind particular recommendations.

Bruce Tonkin introduced the meeting saying that he was the interim chair of
the transfers implementation committee and asked whether anyone wanted to
chair the committee.
No-one offered.

The mandate for this working group is defined in the following resolution
which was adopted by the DNSO Names Council on December 14, 2002 in
Amsterdam Netherlands by a unanimous vote of the Council.

"The Names Council accepts the policy recommendations that were in
theTransfer Task Force Report of 30 November.

The Names Council will form an implementation analysis committee which will
comprise of the Registries and Registrars with ICANN staff and user liaisons
from the Transfer task force.

That it will complete its analysis by 30 January 2003

The GNSO Council will then meet to discuss the final Board report in its
meeting in February and the final Board report will be forwarded with the
aim to reach ICANN Board 30 days prior to the meeting in Rio de Janeiro.

The implementation committee report will present the findings on the
feasibility of the policy and it will be added to the Transfers Task Force
report, which will become the Board report."

Bruce Tonkin explained concern was expressed about implementing the 29
recommendations and the issues arising may be technical, legal or business
process orientated.

Bruce noted that implementation was in

- an environment based on EPP registry /registrar protocol such as used in
.biz, .info, .name and in some country code registries such as .us and .au.

- an environment used by a major registrar for .net and .com operated by
Verisign which used the RRP protocol. The EPP protocol would not be in use
for .net and .com until the end of 2003.

He suggested, from a registrars perspective, to send comments and
recommendations on technical or legal implementation issues to the mailing

The .com, .net, .info, .biz, .org registries may comment indicating
implementation problems or recommendations on where language should be
tightened up, or particularly where they would have a role in dispute
resolution between registrars.

Ross Rader emphasized his hope that the process would be rigid and set a
standard for further committees and task forces

Major issues:
- Standardized texts
that an achievement of the committee might be coming to some agreement among
the registrars as to what "standardized texts" are.
- Denying a transfer

The task force recommends that the losing registrar should not deny the
transfer if they are unable to obtain a response from the registrant to an
authentication message..

The task force recommends that the loosing registrar should not deny the
The implementation committee should give some security to the Registrant and
Registrar involved.
- Administrative channels issue, where registrars have resellers
- Language issue

Grant Forsyth, addressing a concern expressed by Ross Rader about the true
goal of the group, asked whether the committee's output was a procedural
manual, legal drafting or further administrative details and guidelines that
flesh out the task force report.
Bruce Tonkin stated the objectives were to identify any problems in
implementating the recommendations, and attempt to suggest some solutions to
these problems.
A rough timeline for the committee could be:
- within a week gathering comments on the recommendations
- 3rd week of January draft implementation report
- 4th week of January finalize the report

The output is twofold:
1. What are the issues that make implementing any recommendation difficult.
2. Where objections are made how can they be dealt with.

An example given:
Standardized text issue: How does one handle multiple languages in a
standard message and here is a suggestion to deal with multiple languages.

Bruce Tonkin expressed his view on the committee's aim:
- Identify the most controversial recommendations
- Identify why there are implementation difficulties
- Give solutions to the implementation difficulties

Grant Forsyth asked the other registrars on the call what they expected to
get out of the committee.
Ross Rader expected a statement taking geographical, cultural and legal
considerations into account which would be a long process but agreed that
feasibility would be a good start.
Nikolaj Nyholm said looking at the recommendations in a structured manner
was the first important step.
Jeff Neuman agreed on feasibility and added that the Registrars should be
both willing and able to carry out the functions. Clarification on what the
registries are advised to do, how each provision should be interpreted and
implemented so that in case of a dispute there is something to fall back on.
Chuck Gomes said the biggest priority is that proposals are implementable
from a registrars point of view. Contractual issues should be such that
Registrars are able to sign. The Registries are willing to take more
responsibilities in terms of enforcement and dispute resolution if there is
clearly defined support from the registrars.
Nikolaj Nyholm asked for clarification from a task force member to what
extent the EPP based registry could take over the process of transfers, to
which Jeff Neuman and Steve Metalitz who were on the task force said that it
was never discussed.
Ross Rader added that the task force focussed on requirements that were as
implementation neutral as possible and goals to be achieved, not mechanisms
leading to these.The rationale being that Registrars and Registries would
work out the most suitable implementation procedures.
Bruce Tonkin stressed that the implementation committee was looking at
issues that will become binding policy for registrars and Registries, rather
than what particular registries may want to provide in implementation.

Chuck Gomes mentioned two different challenges for .com and .net.
- Short term solutions for .com .net, with the RRP protocol, until the
migration to EPP. Example, EPP protocol has auth- info capabilities and RRP
does not. To change the IRP protocol to make place for this would be too
- Thin registry which is the case, in contrast to a thick registry, is
another issue in the implementation process.
With regard to the timeframe for the transition to EPP protocol, the
protocol standard is still to be finalized and some registrars would move in
latter half of 2003. The RRP and EPP protocols would both be offered for
some time.
A survey of registrars show that they are not looking for a long transition

Grant Forsyth asked how transfers would be handled during the transition
period, given that there would be no change in the RRP protocol?
During the transition period registrars must use one or the other protocol.
Chuck Gomes predicted that would be some variation in transfer policy for
EPP because of the auth-info capability that allows the registry to confirm
that the registrant requesting is in fact authorized to do so.
An important issue is the implementation of auth-info codes in EPP protocol
because at the moment there are a variety of implementations.
It is important that it is appropriately implemented and that there is
agreement on what is "appropriate".
Andrew Sullivan from Afilias confirmed the interest to move quickly from RRP
to EPP protocol for the .org registry.

Ross Rader's Proposed Terms of Reference:
1. To analyze the feasibility of the twenty-nine policy recommendations of
the DNSO NC Task Force on Inter-Registrar Transfers
2. To formulate a report detailing the findings of the analysis which will
include all details concerning whether or not the policy recommendations are
3. To present this report and all supporting documentation to the Names
Council for consideration and inclusion in the Final Report of the Transfers
Task Force no later than January 30, 2003.

Proposed Milestones: 01/08/03 - Introductory conference call, confirmation
of final participants, election of chair, review and acceptance of TOR and
Milestones, establishment of feasibility criteria, call for analysis.
01/15/03 - Call for analysis closes.
01/15/03 - Group review of analyses presented, feedback gathered, additional
concerns solicited.
01/22/03 - Draft Final Report completed, reviewed as group.
01/26/03 - Second review of Draft Final Report, final considerations worked
into draft.
01/27/03 - Final Report completed, tabled with ImpComm for adoption.
01/29/03 - Final meeting/teleconferenceImpComm Adoption/Rejection
01/30/03 - Presented to Names Council for consideration.

Chuck Gomes felt that where a recommendation is not implementable an
alternative approach could be suggested for consideration, one that would
presumably be implementable.

The GNSO council is the recipient of the report that will be forwarding the
combination report to the ICANN Board.

Bruce Tonkin proposed that Ross Rader's proposal for terms of reference and
timelines be accepted.
Accepted unanimously

Task for the next call: Go through the recommendations and get comments to
the list.
Next call: Wednesday 15 January 20:00 UTC, EST 15:00/Thursday 16 January
Melbourne 07:00

Bruce Tonkin closed the call at 21:00 UTC, EST 16:00/ Melbourne Thursday


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