Re: [ga] Fw: Discussion Paper: Redemption Grace Periods for Deleted Names
Good idea, but it does not solve the problem quoted below - the
Registrant who didn't get notified. Further, NACHA requires
notification to the consumer before money is taken from their bank
The period of time that the domain name does not resolve is intended
as a last ditch effort to make sure the Registrant no longer wants the
name. The assumption is that the Registrant will notice that his web
site and/or e-mail is not working. I suspect the Registrant's first
call will be to the firm which is hosting his web site or e-mail.
Consequently, an additional idea is notification to the Tech contract
(assuming it really is the systems admin of the company hosting the
web site or e-mail) that the name has expired. This may help, but it
also will not solve the problem.
Personally, I don't think there is a total resolution for this
problem, but there may be ways to improve the situation.
Sunday, February 17, 2002, 9:34:42 AM, Elisabeth Porteneuve <Elisabeth.Porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr> wrote:
EP> Hello everybody,
EP> Providing comment to an already 3 days old text ...
EP> Quote from:
EP> "Probably the most common type of unintentional deletion
EP> is caused by registrant mistake. Registrants sometimes
EP> inadvertently fail to renew registrations due to a clerical
EP> mistake or failure to receive a renewal notice (usually as
EP> a result of failing to keep registration contact information
EP> up-to-date.) If a registrant moves or changes Internet
EP> service providers, the registrant might not receive a notice
EP> from its registrar informing it that a renewal payment is due.
EP> Also, some registrants may accidentally overlook a renewal
EP> notice or mistake it for a solicitation or spam. Section
EP> 3.7.5 of the Registrar Accreditation Agreement requires
EP> registrars to cancel the registration of any domain name
EP> for which the registrant fails to pay a renewal fee at the
EP> conclusion of a fixed registration period."
EP> Quote from:
EP> "3.7.5 Registrar shall register Registered Names to
EP> Registered Name Holders only for fixed periods. At the
EP> conclusion of the registration period, failure by or on
EP> behalf of the Registered Name Holder to pay a renewal fee
EP> within the time specified in a second notice or reminder
EP> shall, in the absence of extenuating circumstances, result
EP> in cancellation of the registration. In the event that
EP> ICANN adopts a specification or policy concerning procedures
EP> for handling expiration of registrations, Registrar shall
EP> abide by that specification or policy."
EP> We could probably learn from other that domain names services.
EP> The public service subscriptions are much longer history that
EP> Internet domain names under ICANN rules. They certainly vary
EP> from country to country, but the spectra of solutions for them
EP> could bring us some ideas for Internet domain names.
EP> In France we have a simple and clever payment feature for all
EP> kind of public services (water supply, electricity supply,
EP> telephone supply, Internet access supply, etc.), whether they
EP> are provided by public or private companies. When you subscribe
EP> to such services, you usually want them to be renewed without
EP> getting bothered periodically. The default situation is that
EP> you will renew unless stated otherwise (and not that you will
EP> not renew unless explicitly re-subscribed). And you back it up
EP> by allowing the public service company to charge your bank account.
EP> The advantage of being granted the payment is big enough to
EP> make the public service companies taking care about their
EP> reputation. Which is tourn makes consumer confident.
EP> 1. The subscriber sign a contract with a supplier, and allow
EP> the supplier to charge its bank account periodically.
EP> The supplier is sending few weeks in advance a printed
EP> invoice indicating when the bank account is going to be
EP> charged next time and the amount of money.
EP> 2. The subscriber may change his mind any time, with a short
EP> notice, and cancel his subscription. But because the default
EP> is well adapted to the most common situation, the subscriber
EP> may also spent his summer vacation in Greece without
EP> bothering about electricity bills, and will not get into
EP> dark once at home.
EP> I tend to believe that ICANN rules for the service on domain
EP> names should be oriented towards stable customers.
EP> As a practical action it can be that a "long term option"
EP> based on a kind of automatic periodical payment could be added
EP> to Registrant's choice and allow him to keep his companies
EP> names for business or communication for unlimited duration.
EP> Adding any number of days for grace period does not change a iota
EP> a logic in deletion problem IMHO.
EP> I think that the current ICANN text "ra-agreement-17may01.htm",
EP> is too strongly intended for competition between Registrars
EP> and does forget the basic need of Registrant for long term
EP> stability and visibility on the Internet.
EP> Simultaneously I wonder how the French example could help
EP> into gTLD global planet situation.
EP> No doubt that a Registrar incorporated in France may already
EP> provide an automatic bank payment to its Registrants, therefore
EP> grant de facto a "long term option" to its stable customers.
EP> There is certainly some marketing efforts to be made.
EP> Elisabeth Porteneuve
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