RE: [ga] Consensus & Names Council Task Forces

["McMeikan, Andrew" <McMeikanA@logica.com>]

Is not a person a legal entity?  After all in the end someone has to be held
to account regardless of how you wrap it in legalities.

for the IC fund, that is 100% controlled by me and any mismanagement would
be blamed on me, so far half of whats in there is from me the other half is
from an outside donation.  This fund is for individualls getting a voice and
establishment of an individuals constituency.  Until a 'consensus' of what
that is and what the rules governing its use is then it rests with me.

I see know problem in someone setting up an account for the ga and running
it, just declare a position of tresurer, elect someone who is prepared to
take that responsibility and trust.  Even draw up rules on use.  Any extra
legal fiction of a 'trust' account or an incorporated body does not stop
someone from nicking the loot, might even make it easier, certainly adds
extra cost.

People who want to spend a fortune establishing complicated setups to do a
simple thing usually do so because they don't want to be held to account and
want a 'system' to blame.  or to buy a plush leather seat to sit in while
writting cheques.

My neck is only on the line so far to the point of a couple of pizzas worth,
but the principle still applies http://www.individual-domain.org or
something like it, is going to need every scrap of money it can get.  If
someone asks me for the funds I hold and its use betters individuals voices,
then it gets used, I go with whatever the consensus is.  The buck stops with
me!  If anyone cares to draw up rules that shold bind its use and those
rules get wide acceptance then those rules will govern its use.  This all
has to be done regardless of if its someones pocket, personal account or a
corporate account.  But someone still has to stick their neck out and take
responsibility.

Roland if you have doubts about what it is going to be used for, then help
prepare a 'funds use' document.  Even if you make a pledge of $x for
y-purpose at least people know that something can be possible because the
funds will be there. http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp?pubid=313216 shows
how much can be in the mail today if someone feels a pizza is vital to
getting the job done ;)

I also have more money personally, but since I spend on things in my life
that amount goes up and down, what is in the IC fund, while under my control
is not for my personal benifit.

Maybe no one will give much until lots of documents and organisations and
elected purse bearers exist, but if someone does have a couple of bucks to
set aside then at least there is a way to do so.  Perhaps you can do better,
certainly with three years of questing over this you must have some pretty
good ideas, maybe even thought about establishing a trust yourself?  If you
have something better and publicly accept the task, I see no reason not to
send it to you (does anyone object?).

Help me out here, I just want to see some progress.

	cya,	Andrew...

-----Original Message-----
From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:15 PM
To: 'McMeikan, Andrew'; 'Joop Teernstra'; DannyYounger@cs.com
Cc: ga@dnso.org
Subject: RE: [ga] Consensus & Names Council Task Forces


This might even work if;
1 There was a legal entity to trak this to
2 The bank (preferably trust) account was tracable to this legal entity
3 we could review the bylaws of this legal entity

Otherwise, it's someone's personal account for all we know. How do we know
that the mony's getting to where we think it's going, for the uses intended?

For three years I've asked this question from every nacent organization. I
made an issue of it with the IDNO and I've recently mentioned it to the TLDA
(the TLDA has such account). The TLDA is much more likely to get my
financial support than some unknown account that isn't tracable to an
organization, that guarantees use of funds.

|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: McMeikan, Andrew [mailto:McMeikanA@logica.com]
|> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 9:45 PM
|> To: 'Joop Teernstra'; DannyYounger@cs.com
|> Cc: ga@dnso.org
|> Subject: RE: [ga] Consensus & Names Council Task Forces
|> 
|> 
|> If any individual feels that they wish to contribute or put 
|> some money in
|> 'the hat' to be used by an Individuals Constituancy, here is 
|> where the hat
|> is
|> http://www.e-gold.com/pub-bal.asp?pubid=313216
|> 
|> to put your bit in http://two-cents-worth.com/?313216&EG
|> 
|> If your dying to show support and for whatever reason don't 
|> use e-gold then
|> paypal to me at andrewm@engineer.com and once cleared I will 
|> put it in
|> (minus paypals cut).
|> 
|> While I don't think that Individuals should have to cough up 
|> lots of money
|> to have a voice, I think that having a slush fund to get 
|> that voice heard
|> better is a good idea.
|> 
|> I think that a similar fund for the GA should exist, but 
|> thats better left
|> to someone else as I have a very strong individualistic bias ;)
|> 
|> 	cya,	Andrew...

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