Re: [ga] rolling up the sleeves.

[Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>]

I do not think that I am confused on this.  If the alsc draft is implemented
and excludes non domain name holders then the IDNO should be open to any
individual and not limited to domain name holders.  If non holding members
are included in the AL then we should limit the IDNO to holders. The second
scenario is obviously the correct one.  However compromising both is not an
option.

Eric

Peter de Blanc wrote:

> Perhaps I am confused here...
>
> The URL belo includes "/idno". Is that "Individual Domain Name Holders"?
>
> Are we talking about an "Individuals'" constituency or an "Individual
> Domain Name Holders'" constituency ?
>
> Peter de Blanc
>
> (still willing to support)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Williams
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:15 AM
> To: Joop Teernstra
> Cc: ga@dnso.org
> Subject: Re: [ga] rolling up the sleeves.
>
> Joop and all assembly members,
>
> Joop Teernstra wrote:
>
> > Danny and all,
> >
> > In case people are not aware of this , I presented a draft Charter for
>
> > an Individuals' Constituency at the GA meeting in Montevideo.
> >
> > Peter the Blanc was looking for a proposal to put his name under,
> > perhaps there are other GA members who would want to indicate their
> > broad support for such a Charter by affixing their name to it.
> >
> > www.democracy.org.nz/idno/ICcharter.htm
> >
> > Constructive criticism is most welcome.  We can discuss improvements
> > on the GA-icann sublist.
>
>   I think on this list is sufficient...  The sublist, which of late have
> hardly been used, are and always have been divisive and a basic
> distraction to all of the assembly members.
>
>   Here are the specific problems I see with your IC Charter:
> From: http://www.democracy.org.nz/idno/ICcharter.htm
>
> 4.1. IC constituency membership is open to any person who
> is an individual domain name holder
>
> 4.2 An Individual Domain Name Holder is any person who
> can demonstrate a level of control over a specified domain name that a
> reasonable person would conclude grants the individual person the
> exclusive legal right to exploit the specified domain name worldwide
> subject to applicable laws.
>
>      " Examples of items that may be submitted in support of an
> application include but are not limited to
>       (i) evidence of applicants name on domain contact information
>       (ii) evidence of applicant's funds used to pay registration fees,
> if any
>       (iii) evidence that the applicant may cause the domain name to be
> relinquished
>       (iv) evidence that the applicant is the beneficial holder of any
> domain name that is registered or operated by a third party
>       (v) Where the applicant does not hold direct control over t he
> domain name, written evidence must be provided that the controlling
> party is acting on instructions of the beneficial holder and that such
> instructions may be withdrawn at the applicant's sole discretion."
>
>   These requirements would restrict membership to only Domain Name
> owners/holders that have registered a Domain Name as and individual or a
> third party that is holding that Domain name in the intended registrants
> or otherwise holders name, or provide evidence to such.
>
>   Given this bias restriction, to call this proposed constituency a "IC"
> or Individuals Constituency is misleading at best...
>
> >
> >
> > I am especially interested to hear comment on the funding idea's
> > presented there (a fourth level nnn.members.icann.org domain name for
> > all members of this constituency as real value for the proposed $12
> > membership fee.)
>
>   I think you are going to have trouble for funding something called an
> "Individuals Constituency" when it does not represent any and all
> potential Individuals or stakeholders...
>
> >
> >
> > Better funding idea's are of course welcome too.
> >
> > --Joop
> >
> >
>
> Regards,
> --
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