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Re: [ga] Austerity measures
Hi! Folks,
I am afraid there is a misunderstanding of a certain magnitude here.
I documented from experience in a previous mail the charges that Elisabeth
and AFNIC incurred: I see that no one commented on it, while everyone
continued talking wrong about technical management of an ML instead of the
secretariat of an ML., and cost reduction while the issue is donation
saturation.
Please refer to the figures given by Jonathan: you are talking about
reducing costs on something you get for free. The problem is not Elisabeth
$$ budget, but minutes budget. As anyone Elisabeth has a 100.000 minutes a
year budget to manage. She sees with Philip how she may use them according
to iCANN/DNSO management style.
You may discuss that style and propose a better organization: this is what
WG-Review did and should continue doing and was opposed by people having
set-up that style for their own benefit.
But discussing monies and costs is absurd.
Given the management style of a DNSO/ML Elisabeth cannot manage the
requested number of MLs within the ML dedicated part of her 100.000 minutes
a year. Period.
This is why I motioned that the "WG-Inclusive Name Space Management Center
of Interest to prepare a documented demand to the NC" be on private ML and
site. This is why not having acknowledged that seconded motion, having
created the ga-root ML (and the others) and made us spend all that time on
DNSO/GA/MLs discussion on his ML without proper information has probably
cost the NC $ 2000 out of its $ 60.000 given by the AFNIC, and disturbed
the Stockholm meeting preparation.
Jefsey
On 18:30 15/05/01, Jonathan Weinberg said:
>At 11:13 AM 5/15/2001 -0400, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:
>>I think the clear consensus is to outsource the mailing list management
>>function to a more efficient provider.
>>
>>On Tue, 15 May 2001, Philip Sheppard wrote:
>>
>> > If it is not the will of the ga to reduce administrative time/costs by
>> > removal of the most under-utilised list, is it possible to consider any
>> > other of the ga's 9 lists ?
>> > Philip
>
>
> My understanding is that the NC is indeed planning on
> entertaining bids to outsource the *entire* secretariat function to a new
> provider; Erica has announced plans to hire an outside consultant to
> write an RFP, and to rank respondents against the RFP's selection
> criteria. It's hard to figure out how much of AFNIC's charges for the
> secretariat function can be attributed to mailing lists alone; FWIW, here
> is a copy of the secretariat expenditures and services for 2000 (from
> <http://www.dnso.org/secretariat/2000.AFNIC-DNSO.html>). It seems sort
> of odd that, in looking for places in this budget to save money, one
> would pounce first on existing GA mailing lists.
>
>>AFNIC expenditures for the DNSO services for FY 2000
>>
>>AFNIC has been following the overall budget expenses as voted by the
>>Names Council during its March meeting.
>>
>> EXPENDITURES
>> 1
>> Personnel
>> 34 000
>> Webmaster (engineer part time)
>> 24 000
>> Technical support (part time)
>> 6 000
>> Temporary staff, help for 2 months of voting for ICANN
>> Board
>> 4 000
>> Secretariat (part time, consultant, real cost USD 60 000)
>> (offered)
>> 2
>> Offices and Equipment
>> 2 000
>> Office rental and office running (real cost for 70 sq meters
>> is USD 25 000, AFNIC rented offices for his own staff in
>> central Paris to keep place available for DNSO service)
>> (offered)
>> PC desktop equipment purchase, software and hardware
>> 2 000
>> 3
>> Security, backup, connectivity
>> 13 000
>> Hosting dnso.org server in secure building, supervision,
>> local and remote backups
>> 5 000
>> Connectivity to the Internet (real cost for 2 Mb/s is USD
>> 25 000, supported by Renater)
>> 8 000
>> 4
>> External professional services
>> 3 000
>> Legal advice
>> 3 000
>> 5
>> Telephone
>> 1 800
>> Dial up from home (USD 90 per month)
>> 1 080
>> Business running (USD 60 per month)
>> 720
>> 6
>> Secretariat Teleconferences (NC and committees)
>> 600
>> from office/home (USD 30 per telecon)
>> 360
>> when on travels (USD 120 per telecon)
>> 240
>> 7
>> Travels to ICANN meetings
>> 5 000
>> (Cairo NC+GA, Yokohama NC+GA, Marina del Rey
>> GA: real cost USD 12 220)
>> 5 000
>> Total Expenditure, Capital Equipment
>> 59 400
>>
>>
>>The services provided to the DNSO includes:
>>
>>Service to the NC
>>
>> agendas/summaries/communication in between meetings
>> NC membership maintenance (addresses, phones any other means for
>> contact)
>> NC e-mail list (maintaining, archiving, publishing)
>> design and implementation of the NC voting system
>> NC annual selection to the ICANN Board
>>
>>Service to the GA
>>
>> maintaining, archiving and publishing mailing lists (in various
>> formats)
>> publishing GA documents on the dnso.org website
>> creating and maintaining the DNSO GA membership database (including
>> constituencies members; necessary to have the DNSO votes)
>> adapting the NC voting system to the DNSO GA voting system
>> attending and reporting to GA meetings
>> day to day work with GA Chairs
>>
>>Service to the Working Groups and Committees
>>
>> maintaining, archiving and publishing mailing lists
>> publishing Working Groups documents
>> setting up lists for comments
>>
>>General service for the DNSO
>>
>> dnso.org web site concept and design
>> dnso.org web site maintenance, with appropriate links to items of
>> interests to the DNSO
>> developping scripts and publishing statistics
>> help desk, round clock service by email or telephone; FAQs
>> hiring and training temporary staff to execute their responsibilities
>> search for independent offices
>> search of sponsors for offices and services
>> work with ICANN staff, receiving ICANN staff and President
>> receiving European ICANN Board members
>> conducting communication with European ICANN partners attending
>> Brussels meetings, WIPO, GAC
>> conducting communication and liaison with Constituencies secretariats
>> publicizing and promoting documents, contact with press
>>
>>Buildings, hardware, software, administrative work
>>
>> Office rental, office running
>> Computers and printers for the staff
>> Telephone lines and fax
>> Connectivity to the Internet
>> Offices security service
>> Network and operating systems security service
>> Backup service, with the dnso.org mirroring on a distant site
>
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