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Re: [ga] silence in RROR v. PAB
Mark and all,
Of course Kent and I suspect the DNSO and the ICANN board takes
this position or attitude as it fits their purposes nicely. However you
are quite right Mark.
Mark C. Langston wrote:
> Kent claims that in RROR, silence=assent.
> Kent is wrong.
> In RROR (and in the rules I proposed), silence=acceptance of will of
> the majority. Silence equals heads not counted.
> In PAB (stop insisting I didn't read the rules, Kent. I did. Several
> times. Closely. If you're looking at web logs, I didn't do it from
> this system.) silence literally means "I approve of what is being put
> to a vote." Heads are counted, and they are counted in the
> There is an incredible difference between the two. As someone capable
> of writing code, Kent should easily recognize this distinction.
> Anyone capable of grasping simple math should also see the difference.
> For whatever reason (political or personal) he sees fit to insist
> there is no difference. He is quite wrong. Prove it to yourself:
> Imagine 20 people. They are voting on question X.
> 6 vote no, 4 vote yes, 10 abstain (i.e., are silent).
> (the 6 no votes are the majority of ballots cast)
> Under my proposal:
> Question X fails, 6 to 4 against. The 10 silent members are not
> included in the tally, period. The silent people gave up their
> right to sway the vote by not participating.
> Majority wins the vote.
> Under Kent's rules:
> Question X passes, 14 to 6 in favor. The 10 silent members are
> included in the tally, in favor of the question. The silent
> people, who are silent for unknown reasons because they are silent,
> sway the vote.
> Majority loses the vote.
> If you institute this rule, any body governed by it here will in all
> likelihood be stuffed with accounts from which nothing ever issues.
> These silent accounts will simply stuff the ballot box. But you're
> familiar with that process, Kent. You've already admitted publically
> to registering false accounts to these lists for the sole purpose of
> Yes, you've been involved in this process longer than I have. But
> I appear to have a talent you don't: The ability to count.
> Now, stop trying to railroad "rough consensus" into this process. You
> tried to do it in WG-C, and it failed. You tried to do it in WG-D,
> and got nowhere. Now you're trying it here.
> It will not work. We have proof that it will not work. It's been
> tried in the WGs and has been found to be lacking.
> Finally, please stop associating me with Joop's organization. I quit
> a long time ago.
> Mark C. Langston
> Systems Admin
> San Jose, CA
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